What is the range of the word 'later' at the end of the above note? Is there a slight possibility it could be another 2-3 years? I want to know what % is the possibility that it could take more than 1 year from now on.

How exactly does it matter if it in one year or not? Do you really expect people to be able to give you %age probabilities on things that no one can really predict?

p = 17.3205%

I wonder if this amendment contains IT-BHU specifically along with the 8 new IITs? Are the administrators sure about it?

Please update.

Me too wondering same..!!
Did the iit act amendment proposal returned by law ministry recently contained it bhu along with 8 new iits?

Hi all:

Sub: Clarification about IIT conversion
It seems there is still confusion about the proposed conversion of our institute to IIT. I wish to clarify the situation as follows:

a) Our institute is included in the list of institutes under cabinet note. The list includes 8 new IITs and our institute. The cabinet note is a voluminous document of several hundred pages long, and a group of our faculty was at the HRD ministry office for several weeks to help prepare the document.

b) The amendment to IT Act was supposed to be passed by the Parliament in last summer session, i.e. by May 7. However, currently there is an issue between HRD ministry and Health ministry about allowing IITs to start medical course, which is under Health ministry so far. Once the issue is resolved, then IT Act will be passed within a month of approval of cabinet note.

c) The next session of the parliament is monsoon session from end of July to August. If the cabinet note is approved by July end, then IT Act will be passed in the monsoon session, otherwise it will almost certainly to be passed in October session of Parliament.

d) If the IT Act is amended by end of August by the parliament, the current pass out (2010 batch) will likely get IIT-BHU certificate. Thus all incoming students joining the institute this year will no doubt get IIT tag. IT Act, 1961 as posted on IIT-Bombay website:

http://www.iitb.ac.in/legal/IITsAct.pdf

e) The dilemma of students/parents is understandable. According to their thinking, if they join IT-BHU and the institute does not become an IIT, they are doomed. They are also doomed if they do not join IT-BHU and pick up any other branch at one of the IITs and then IT-BHU is converted to IIT. It is up to students and parents to use their judgment about selecting institute.

f) Please note that 2 years ago the situation was different. In March 2008, Prime Minister announced “in principle” to convert our institute to IIT. Now the situation is different, as most of paper work, including preparing cabinet note is done.

We provide regulation update on IIT-conversion news in our monthly online newsmagazine, chronicle:

www.itbhuglobal.org/chronicle

Please note all info is taken from authorized sources (VC, Director, faculty who worked on conversion, alumni who met MHRD, etc.) and it is crosschecked before publishing.

Thanking you,
Yogesh Upadhyaya
Chemical 1977
Editor-The IT-BHU Chronicle,
Email: Yogesh@optonline.net
________________________________________________________

Thank you very much yogesh sir for the clarification on the topic...!!!

we do believe that it bhu will get well deserved iit tag very soon..!!

can you please tell me if there are chances that the conversion may not happen till 2-3 years...as i am in a fix whether to choose new iit cs or it bhu cs...
also a ordinance was to be passed by today for the conversion..has it been passed..please update...
also can i get the placement statistics of students in it bhu cs...

dear..go to http://www.itbhuglobal.org/archives/2010/06/faq_for_students_from_iitjee_2.html and then ask ur ques..!!this forum is not meant for this ques..!!

hi all..!!

From above discussion, can we conclude that now it bhu has the same status as the new iits..?
is itbhu now as much iit as are the new iits..?

The status of bhu is higher than new iit's. the facilities and alumini of bhu is far higher than new ones andas above said ,students taking admissions this year will surely get iit tag

@mayank

sorry im not asking in that respect.!!

i meant that...
new iits are also not approved by cabinet and parliament , they are listed in iit amendment act..also according to above clarification by yogesh sir it bhu is also listed along the new iits...so this means now itbhu is in same position of being iit as the new iits...
is it true..??

also,
new iits are now operating since 2 years, they have to give degree to their first batch 2 years from now , but they cant do so without modification of iit act in the parliament (true?)..so assuming the worst possible scenario that iit act is amended in 2012(it HAS to amended on or before 2012)..:
it implies..::
1) by any means itbhu will be iit by 2012.
2) even assuming worst scenario 2012 paasing out batch will get iit degree.(if u dig deep even 2011 pass out batch will get iit degree as convo happens a year later)
3) this year incoming batch will in any case get iit degree..!!

am i correct..??

Absolutely correct and perfect analysis ! Go and get admitted into IT-BHU (IIT-BHU) this year...it is a deal for students this year. Next year, for the same rank it would be more or less impossible to get the same branch...

but according to sources from hrd ministry its 50-50 chances for it to become iit..in parliament it could be argued that what's the need of making one more iit when we already have 15..also if they had to take make it iit why did they make new iits why not first of all convert it-bhu to iit...

acoording to which sources...???
can u clarify..or just give the link where u find this information..!!

do u think that our MPs really debate in parliament.. they will simply ask question and sit..

That is nothing but a rumour.

1. Note in first place that IT-BHU was supposed to be converted to IIT in principal in current 5 year plan. This was done after consulting cabinet itself. This information was also press released.Which means that Cabinet has no issues in IT-BHU to IIT conversion.

2. We have already got a clearance from Planning Commission, Law Ministry and HRD Ministry and Finance Ministry(We have already been allocated budget for the conversion); These are all that have a dealing with IT-BHU -> IIT Conversion.

Regarding whether someone joins IT-BHU or not, is all upto his own volition. We guys are very successful in career even when IT-BHU is not IIT.

i cannot reveal the source but the source is very reliable ....he knew abt the objective pattern of jee months before it was announced..and also the making of 8 new iits but he thinks there is 50% chances if it bhu conversion..

lol....
boy i knew objective pattern of jee since 2006..
and new iits since 2003..!!
as both the facts were publicly announced then...!!

and then if u have such RELIABLE sources, why r u coming for help here..!!

u also talked abt some ordinance previously...which ordinance...what ?? r u sane,,??
who is giving u all this bs..!!

What is the latest status of IT-BHU conversion to IIT?????

hey itbhu mechanical is much good than civil..and mech placement is also superb. so air 4442 u sud take mechanical.

thank u yogesh sir for clarification

hey plzzzz tell me whether 5 yr metall. is better or 4 yr ceramic?
placement is better for material sci. or metallurgy?
all from it bhu
plzzzzzz reply soon

5 year metallurgy is better if u r aiming for higher studies abroad.btech ceramics has had fairly good number of core companies this year.so if u r not interested in higher studies ,i would recommend btech ceramics.

mat.science also has scope mostly from higher studies perspective.

mettallurgy may be better for job .. material sci is a very differet kind of department .. (in good sense ofcourse) .. ceramics is a easy walk ..., a word of advice .. something which may seems greener today .. may not be same when you will be in your senior years..

metallurgy is gud for both higher studies and job..!!
mat. sci. is relatively new here but gud future..!!
ceramic is easy one and will give u enough time if u aim for mba or civil ser.!!!

sir my rank is 5056
will iget 4 yr metall. this year
last yr 4953 tak mila tha
aur materialsci. aur ceramic mein kaunsi badhiya hain
for job only

Note to all those posting queries about Branches in ITBHU etc: Please post your JEE related questions at http://www.itbhuglobal.org/archives/2010/06/faq_for_students_from_iitjee_2.html

Any further JEE-related comments on this post will be deleted.

Thanks,
Animesh
Editorial Team

is the cabinet note still with MHRD or has the Medical degrees at IIT, clause been removed and the note re-cirulated ?

Please let us know the updated status of the Cabinet note

please spread some light on the conversion process...at what stage it is??how many days will be taken to complete it.....

http://twitter.com/nikesharora
Nikesh arora tweets abt iit conversion..shows so many ppl are working behind the scene as well

A news appearing in Times of India reports the MCI opinion as:

"Health education must be a part of the health ministry as it is crucial to the whole health infrastructure," Dr. Sarin said.

The detail news item is given in the following link.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Medical-Council-ponders-common-entrance-exam-for-medical-courses/articleshow/6106176.cms

Any comment from the people looking into the issue.... How it is likely to affect the movement of the cab. note...

A little that we can say is that Doctors, CA , Advocates etc. have their own professional bodies whose assosiation is leagally must for them to continue their professional life. The possibilities are these resrved areas may not be parallay taken up by any other body. However, there can be a broad line defination to prevent intrusion in the functioning of above professional areas. The Cabinate Note may hve to be modified to the satisfaction of professional bodies.

sir, while filling the choices i preferred cse at bhu over mechanical at guwahati ,,,as most of the rankings available on net put bhu better than guwahati . my rank was 2400 .now i am pondering whether my decision to go bhu was right or not as most of the rankings available on net put bhu better than guwahati. i was interested in both cse and mech and were not ready to go for branches like civil and chemical etc.

@syed: Don't worry. As someone who chose ITBHU CSE in 1999 over IITK Chem and IITG CSE, I can say that you have made the right choice.

Welcome to [I]ITBHU :).

bests,
Animesh
CSE 2003
http://animeshpathak.blogspot.com/

"IT BHU will soon become an IIT"
but when will this 'soon' come?
i have been listening this for last 5 years nad yet it is 'soon'!
last year too issues and forums like this were raised but what was the outcome?
i had a chat with students out there is "IT BHU"
who themselves don't believe this
and say "IT BHU kabhi IIT nahi ban sakta,
ye kabhi matt sochna ki aisa hoga",
what is this ?
The students in the institute have faith in the alumni and this ideology then why should others?
also they are frustrated with the system and administration,they say that they have qualified JEE but this is acknowledged by none.They didn't get that respect "we are below IIT and above NIT,
so where do we stand?
even a student who gat rank very low and pursuing pulp and paper from roorkee or MSc. lokks at us as inferior."
this is quite scary for the freshers.............

Seriously, when will this guess work game end?

soon ;)

once again .. all Wednesday day for HRD (and the process is becoming a joke: captcha words are hopeless area )

Calender of Parliament proceedings are not much of use till we cross the Cabinet clearance.

Any update on this aspect???

Accroding to MHRD, the conversion will be done before end of this year
Please see below

http://education.nic.in/HigherEdu/RFD-2010-11.pdf

This looks like a good news!! Its directly from Horse's (MHRD in this case)mouth ...

very authentic news.....very encouraging......itbhu and iit act going hand by hand

This is great news. MHRD has given the timeline projections themselves. According to them, Best case scenario, conversion by Aug 31, 2010. Worst case scenrio, conversion by Dec 31, 2010. And the time line is same as that of amendment of IIT act. Hence ITBHU will become IIT along with other new IITs.

http://education.nic.in/HigherEdu/RFD-2010-11.pdf

last year aisa kuch tha kya?
agar nahi
then this time gov. is taking this issue seriously

It is for 'submission of cabinet note' and moreover, projects the expectations only.

Have any body noticed that there is no mention of BHU Act Amendment. Is it not necessary for parliament approval before ITBHU->IIT act gets approval.
I believe that approval of Amendment of BHU is still pending in parliament.

Ravi Modi,

is conversion not gonna happen in this session too????????
moderators plzzz clarify......................

itne sare acts, a lot of legal work .....
conversion is hisaab se to 2 saal tak nahi ho paayega. wait karte raho bas is session se us session tak.....they will just say , it will be an iit very soon & nothing will happen..........

Kuch nahi hoga... its better that its not an IIT. It will be unique and the alumni will have better opportunity to build the brand....

and also lets stop this topic of IIT and IIIIT

Enjoy.

BHU Act modification will happen in a different way to save time. I would say dont worry.

SHAILENDRA SIR PLZZ CLARIFY WHETHER CONVERSION WILL BE DONE IN THIS SESSION OR NOT?????????????

Many times I have clarified things on this forum, But self doubts from people always prevail.

If u ask me whether it would happen in this session - then seriously speaking Nobody knows, this is INDIA. I can only say that it should happen by the end of this year. We should have been IIT-BHU by now but things have been delayed because of IIT's ambition for starting Medical Courses.

Regarding whether it would happen- Yes would happen for sure, And there is no room for worry as we are in the same boat as the new IITs are.

BHU act modificattion would happen but in a different way to save time and lot of unnecessary steps.

Shailendra Gupta
Trical,05

sir,
I m tired of all this can u tell me that if i join it bhu this year will i be given degree from iit or not

@Shailendra: Thanks for the excellent answers.

@Anonymous: Yes, you will get an IIT degree. If you do not, come to me after the convocation.

sir,
i have been hearing of this conversion crap for almost 2 yrs now. I in my naiveness went for the protest. Sooner we cope up with the fact that were never gonna be converted the better it is for us. India's 6th best engg college doesnt have a proper internet facility, wi-fi, 4th yearites live double, registration through a D.D. and a library with no bar codes and opens from 10 am to 8pm. A change in attitude is required rather than blaming delay in conversion for our present situation. We should admit our facilities are not even 50 pc of those provided in IITs( I stayed there for 2 months). We donot have an AC seminar hall what to say of anything else. I fear the day a common test for IITs and Nits which may even degrade whatever reputation weve got

You are right. Precisely for that reason (facilities are not even 50% of IITs), we need the conversion since that will bring us money.
Secondly, yes we do need a change in attitude, however, part of the reason is money again. How will they pay for the maintenance of AC lecture halls, when they can barely maintain what's there.
Conversion will happen. Govt. has gone too far with this, but you have to realize, this is not USA. This is India and the system is like an elephant moving.
Last, but not the least, this is a public forum. I know you feel frustrated, but using a decent language (conversion crap) will surely be appreciated.

Sir,

I have alloted Computer Science in BHU and also in BITS Planni. Weather I joint BHU CS or BITS CS please guide me with facts.

Arpan Jhalani

hi,
I have passed out this year from ITBHU and seeing the placement scenario in CSE here I would recommend you to join here without any doubt.the average package of CSE has been very high throughout and not just this year.Also,if you're interested in further studies our alumni are present in many top league university abroad.

hi arpan,
i also suggest u bhu...
by which we can be together for nxt 4 year also hahahaha lol
:)

@Arpan
I am also in the same situation as u are(BITS-PILANI CS and IT-BHU CS) and I have left BITS now.
I believe that IT-BHU CS is far more better than BITS-PILANI.

@Arpan, Piyush, Shubham: All I can say is, coming to CSE guarantees that if/when you need guidance, you will have a large number of caring alumni, including me, whom you can connect to. :)

Best wishes,
Animesh
CSE 2003
JEE 1999, AIR 815
Ph.D, University of Southern California
Currently a researcher in INRIA, Paris.

P.S. Please ask further JEE related questions at http://www.itbhuglobal.org/archives/2010/06/faq_for_students_from_iitjee_2.html

As it was informed by Animesh that passing of amendment of IT Act will depend upon the approval of cabinet note by the cabinet. After approval of the cabinet note, it will take about a month to complete the other formalities before the IT Bill is tabled in the parliament. Depending upon the time taken for clearing of cabinet note, the IT Bill can be expected to be introduced in the next parliament session (July-August), or later.
Since now the dates of the monsoon session of Parliament is finalized as 26 July to 27th August. , can anyone (Animesh/Yogesh)please update us about it. Weather it would be possible to introduce the IT BILL in this session.

I am getting m.tech bio chemical in it-bhu and electrical at dtu. What should I opt. What is the scope of bio chemical and placements in it.Please reply soon.

biochemical@itbbhu ..no scope in india rt now. higher studies outside india is th only option. placement in tcs, wipro etc. electrical at dtu will b far better.

Thanks for the reply. But I want to know that is there any possibility of internal sliding . Should I prefer the brand name of IIT if it becomes or the course in dtu

I have got Metallurgical in IT BHU. some people say that metallurgical has very little scope. Whether the course also includes material science. I am very much confused, I have also got electrical in DTU. Pl help me to choose the right course.

@shubham in my opinion dtu is better option for u.,.....
if u see recent ranking it-bhu is on 6th and dtu is on 7th......
but u got electrical in dtu..... so better option is surely dtu......

pls see the news published on 24th july in Times of India. Whether it is going to affect us?
http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Daily/skins/TOINEW/navigator.asp?Daily=TOIKM&showST=true&login=default&pub=TOI

11th Plan edu budget may be halved

Hemali Chhapia | TNN

Mumbai: Several ambitious projects launched by the UPA government under the 11th Five Year Plan may get delayed or axed as large spending cuts are likely to come into force. Thanks to the fact that the economy did not grow at the expected rate of over 9%, most ministries are gearing up to shelve some of their projects.
For instance, the Planning Commission, which conducted a review of the 11th Five Year Plan (2007-2012), is likely to slash budgetary allocations for higher and technical education by nearly half the original amount. This will have to be approved by the National Development Council, which is meeting on Saturday.

Unspent funds led to cuts in higher edu allocations

Mumbai: The Planning Commission’s move to slash budgetary allocations for higher and technical education by nearly half will have to be approved by the National Development Council, which is meeting on Saturday to discuss the midterm appraisal of the 11th Plan.
A Planning Commission source said: “The decision to cut funds was taken because the money allotted for the first three years of the Plan period has not been spent. Despite ambitious announcements, most schemes have not taken off.”
The fourth year of the 11th Plan has just begun. Of the 84,000 crore allotted for higher and technical education in the plan, the ministry has not even spent 30,000 crore. “The infrastructural development of many of the new Indian Institutes of Technology and the Indian Institutes of Management has not taken off,” said an official in the Union HRD ministry.
This is the point the commission is emphasising on why it plans to cut funding. The midterm review of the 11th Plan revealed most projects had not kept up with dates. Funds have been grossly underutilised.
Already, the finance ministry has pushed back setting up 20 new Indian Institutes of Information Technology to the 12th Plan. Heads in the just setup central universities say recruitments have been stalled, too. “Spending under school education has a better track record; that won’t be hacked much,” a commission source said.
Justifying the cutbacks, a commission member explained: “One must also keep in mind that the aggregate gross budgetary support was based on the assumption that India would grow at an average of 9%. But that was not the case.”
By the time the document for the 11th Plan was released in 2008, the global slowdown had hit India and annual growth fell to 6%, throwing most projections off track. Now, the Planning Commission estimates that average growth in the 11th Plan will be 7.7-7.8%.

SLOW SPEND

In absolute terms, Centre spent 2.75 lakh crore on education during the 11th Plan compared to 62,238 crore in the previous Plan
Of that, 1.25 lakh crore was for elementary education; 53,000 crore for secondary education; 6,000 cr for adult education; 84,000 cr for higher & technical education
With the fourth year of the Plan (2010-11) beginning, not even 30,000 cr has been spent on higher & technical education
Allocation for that section is now likely to be slashed by 40,000 crore

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/38044/20100724/india-parliament-monsoon-session-salary-hike-mps-salary-nuclear-damage-bill-opposition-bjp.htm

See Sl. No. 14 under part III – Bills for Introduction

We can still be on time if the things get materialised in due course.

Is it not going to be IIT? As per the news of Dainik jagran it is going to be the institute of national importance along with Shibpur and some other institutions. instituhttp://in.jagran.yahoo.com/epaper/index.php?location=40&edition=2010-07-20
The doubt is if conversion occurs then it automatically becomes the insti. of nat. imp. then why separate announcement is required?

Dear Anonymous

Pls do not panick. In past IT BHU had already rejected the very idea of getting a Tag of Institute of National Importance. That was the reason that all the studunts, alumni and faculty members joined hand together and fought for getting deserving IIT tag. As for as news article in Dainik Jagran is concerend, it mentions the name of hon'ble Shri. K. Sibbal, who himself has ensured the conversion during his convocation speech at IT BHU. Nothing to worry :-).

Request moderators/Animesh to pls shed the light on the news article (Danik Jagran) posted above.

Lakshman Singh
IT BHU (Mech 2000 batch)

INI status already comes with the IIT tag. I think this is a more general discussion. Possible, BESU will get the INI status, but not IIT tag. On the other hand, we will get both, the IIT tag and the INI status.

Now, the PIB press release also confirms about the scheduled introduction of IT (amendment) Bill. See Sl. No. 14 under Bill for Introduction.

http://pib.nic.in/release/release.asp?relid=63449

Moderators may please confirm status of the cabinet approval...

is there ne chance of conversion in this session???????

looks like not

Friends, bureaucrats in the ministry are hinting that ITBHU conversion is deadsure but not in this session. The process will get completed in dec this year, that's for sure.

March 2008, then goverment in crisis ... July 2008, goverment got saved ... can't held session in between ... then feb 2009 ... ooops elections . again july 2009.. iss baar to ho hi jayega naya batch jo aane wala hain .. .. EFC expires ... , Dec 2009 mein nahin kar sakte ... EFC clearence (which has a limited validity ...) .. Feb 2010... budget session gone .. may tak formalities puri ho hi jayengi .. , july 2010 .. iss baar to ho hi jana chahiye kyon ki phir naya batch aane wala tha ... ..,dec 2010.. phir se EFC clearance chahiye .. , Feb 2011.. financial year ends... 80 crore lost .., medical issue bhi include kar lete hain .. , July 2011 .. ho jana chahiye tha aab tak .. naya batch jo aane wala hain ... , Dec 2011 ...bas thode issues aur hain ... ..remember EFC!!! .. 11th plan end .. another 80 crore lost .. ( doesn't somebody was saying we need funds for improvments .. ).. Feb 2012 ..cabinate approved .. july 2012 act modified ... oct 2012 fund released ... dec 2012 we will be doomed any way .. !!! ..

perfect , i completely agree. this conversion is never gonna happen . students dont hv ne hope......

Dear all:

Before posting any negative comments, please remember that no one [absolutely no one] can tell you with 100% certainty _when_ any given law will be passed in the Indian Parliament (or any parliament, for that matter). We all have studied probability, so please do not assume that this very real-world issue is deterministic. There are just too many variables involved, which I assume you appreciate, given most [all?] of the commentors here are Engineers or engineering students.

What we _do_ know is that the file is moving. That there is a clear interest in the ministry to convert IT-BHU to IIT. [See the PIB link posted in the comments above for reference.]. People from very high up have confirmed that they are interested in the conversion.

Will the conversion happen tomorrow? In this session? Frankly, I cannot say. But then, you cannot say that about _any_ bill in the proposed agenda. Such is the nature of the process.

In summary, I request all our readers to be mature about the realities involved here, and avoid making irresponsible anonymous outburst-filled comments.

best wishes,
Animesh
CSE 2003

Hi Anonymous,

One need to understand how the decisions are taken at National level. This is a time taking process and requires patient. There are too many parameters involved, that need to be considered. Please do not spread these negative emotional outbursts on such communities . This definitely shows how much emotionally close you are with this conversion. But still keep the negative thoughts up to you only. Think about the people like Yogesh, Animesh and many others who are consistently trying their best for this conversion since last several years . It's because of our Alumni's collective efforts that we are able to reach so much close to this IIT tag. These people are still maintaining the high spirit and putting there efforts in every possible way. Please encourage them to achieve this prestigious Goal. Please try to understand the complexity of the process involved.

@Mr. Srinivas,
As per the news we got till now, the conversion was part of the IT Amendment Act itself. Your statement suggests it is not. This is quite disappointing as the chances become very slim if the Govt. does not pass the conversion bill along with other IITs. How much willingness will be left with the Govt. to convert one institute? Nothing is at stake if the institute is not converted. On the other hand, Govt. must hurry to provide the legal status to other IITs as the oldest batch is about to pass out in next few years. Also, it questions the past statements provided by our alumni who are involved in this process.

@Mr. Srinivas,
As per the news we got till now, the conversion was part of the IT Amendment Act itself. Your statement suggests it is not. This is quite disappointing as the chances become very slim if the Govt. does not pass the conversion bill along with other IITs. How much willingness will be left with the Govt. to convert one institute? Nothing is at stake if the institute is not converted. On the other hand, Govt. must hurry to provide the legal status to other IITs as the oldest batch is about to pass out in next few years. Also, it questions the past statements provided by our alumni who are involved in this process.

It is really surprising to crave madly for the IIT tag instead of developing a sense of BHU hood in our minds. We should not forget the illustrious BHU brand is highly applauded. We should all put our heads together to carve a parallel institution in place of getting a brand name. By madly chasing for IIT tag we are clearly reflecting our in-built inferiority. This inferiority has drained much of our time and creative energies. Even if we get IIT tag do we not become the tail-end of all the existing IITs? Step-motherly treatment can not be ruled out. After all by spreading this news that we will get better students and better faculty with the upgradation simply lowers our entity. After all a guy in computers, electronics, electrical, mechnicalis far more superior than Civil, paer & pulp, textiles, chemical, mining or metallurgy in any of the IITs. Our faculty is also as luminous as in IITs. We are severly lacking self pride and under estimate the revered Banaras Hindu University; a unique university of its kind. There are many IITs but there is only one Banaras Hindu University, only one Oxford, cambridge, Harvard etc. Let us believe in our own brand and make it the best.

It is really surprising to crave madly for the IIT tag instead of developing a sense of BHU hood in our minds. We should not forget the illustrious BHU brand is highly applauded. We should all put our heads together to carve a parallel institution in place of getting a brand name. By madly chasing for IIT tag we are clearly reflecting our in-built inferiority. This inferiority has drained much of our time and creative energies. Even if we get IIT tag do we not become the tail-end of all the existing IITs? Step-motherly treatment can not be ruled out. After all by spreading this news that we will get better students and better faculty with the upgradation simply lowers our entity. After all a guy in computers, electronics, electrical, mechnicalis far more superior than Civil, paer & pulp, textiles, chemical, mining or metallurgy in any of the IITs. Our faculty is also as luminous as in IITs. We are severly lacking self pride and under estimate the revered Banaras Hindu University; a unique university of its kind. There are many IITs but there is only one Banaras Hindu University, only one Oxford, cambridge, Harvard etc. Let us believe in our own brand and make it the best.

@anonymous
You are right. There is only one Banaras Hindu University. But the fact is, sufficient funding to develop high class infrastructure is made available only to IITs, not to Universities. And please do not compare BHU with Cambridge, Harvard. They just cannot be compared. Its better to accept the fact that we are behind IITs (the old ones I mean) in terms of infrastructure. We would have been very happy if funding like theirs could be available without IIT tag, but that's not possible.

It is not merely funding but the mind-set and work-culture which makes the institutions. Funding follows. For example, there are many guys from rual areas with no amenities, who have cleared IIT-JEE exams. I am myself an example and in my batch not less than 80 guys in the institute came from such areas, which are even today not well equipped with the basic infrastucture ; water, electricity, roads, communication etc. Going by the logic of funding means generating infratructural facilities. By that logic the unfortunate guys from very backward and poorly facilitated areas would neber have been able to compete with heavily armed urban guys gifted with all the facilities. Even to date the eminence of such guys clearing the JEE can not be negated. Thank God that BHU is not so poor as explained in the example. BHU has a tall stature and huge infrastructural set-ups, which need to be used with open minds. If we are capable, we generate our own funding.I happened to visit some of the Sciences Dept. They were state-of-art at that time itself (about 25 years back)within the same university set-up!!! It is sad to note that my alma-mater; the IT, BHU despite being so potent has lost the battle due to weakness in mind. We can not compete Harvard and Cambridge and Oxford, but why??? It is our weakness and diffidence.

saying something is very easy. if u realize the condition of students living in the institute u would never say these things.. 4th year is doule in a room which is not even a perfect single room...only 1 table for 2 students in a room..mess is like a refugee camp...writing some philosophical thoughts is easy, just come here and see our condition then say something, not 25 year old stuff.students r living like a government polytechnic.....and the worst thing is BHU administration .

Passing of IIT act without BHU conversion issue means no hope for IT BHU students who were trying hard to convert it into IIT. Actually hopes for conversion were lost when (i) VC opposed the conversion and put several conditions for conversion including Chairman post for him(ii) when Shri S N Upadhaya was not given extn. These were the clear cut indications that fate of IT BHU is in hand of few people. No concern what facilities students of IT BHU are getting. Concern is what facilities they are availing. I would not oppose many things that were said above but would say that if you want to get gold medal in Olympic u should have, apart from willingness to do extra, best equipments and environment to practice on. Otherwise results would be average. Facities in IITs are better in all ways over the IT BHU. Conversion was the only hope to revive our institute that we have lost.

A half cooked knowledge is more dangerous than ignorance. I think a bit of restrain is needed here.

Mr Anonymous, stop throwing false statements. Conversion is progressing as planned.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/IITs-med-school-plan-put-on-hold/Article1-580572.aspx

Also says that IT amendment act will be put before cabinet next week and the bill will be introduced in parliament in this session.

This is a good news as I heard that ITBHU is part of this cabinet note.

Shailendra Gupta
Trical, 05

Please have a look at the latest issue of the chronicle at http://www.itbhuglobal.org/chronicle/archives/2010/07/itbhu_to_iit_co_18.php

It clearly mentions "As stated in past issues, the Institutes of Technology Act, (IT Act) 1961 is expected to be amended in the parliament. The cabinet note prepared by HRD ministry includes 8 new IITs and conversion of our institute to IIT-BHU as well as several other issues.

It was stated in last issue that the main obstacle to the IT Bill is due the fact that MHRD has proposed in the cabinet note that IITs can start the medical courses and award medical degrees. It seems that this issue is now resolved and HRD ministry has taken an appropriate decision.

It is important to realize that our file on the conversion issue is alive and constantly moving. Presently all the preparation is going on for preparing the notes and arrangements for Cabinet Meeting. If the cabinet meeting is held within 10/15 days then the bill can be placed in the ensuing parliament session. Alumni, students, teachers and parents are in constant touch with the developments."

Thanks.
Animesh

http://www.topnews.in/medicine-iits-health-ministry-brainstorm-today-2268073

Shailendra Gupta
Trical,05

Just hope that the brain storming session of the Health officials ends soon so that the Bill can go to the Cabinet ASAP

The following link looks interesting

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata-/IIT-Kharagpur-goes-ahead-with-medical-college/articleshow/6258789.cms

What is this?
http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/besus-bid-for-upgrade-gets-catalyst-in-didi/656792/

http://ibnlive.in.com/generalnewsfeed/news/chancellor-rejects-amravati-varsity-nominee-on-vc-search-panel/206712.html

http://ibnlive.in.com/generalnewsfeed/news/chancellor-rejects-amravati-varsity-nominee-on-vc-search-panel/206712.html

what is the relevance of the above news?

any updates..............

In India Politicians only give attention to those who raise their voices so loud that the politicians have no choice but to listen them. If Students of ITBHU themselves do not give much attention to conversion, then forget that politicians will heed to it. They will try to cover most imp issues first & in our country every day some new imp issue crops up. If ITBHU people want it , they have to do some attention raising otherwise forget it.

only 10 days r left in this parliament session. whats the status of cabinet note????

please hang on for yet another session......

This is really pathetic ,guys, this is never gonna happen.Its the same situation for the part 3 years.Just
forget about it and move on

Did anyone see this..it says bill cleared...

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1100817/jsp/nation/story_12819276.jsp

-neelesh

Did anyone see this..it says bill cleared the cabinet today..

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1100817/jsp/nation/story_12819276.jsp

-neelesh

Hallelujah! Thanks for the update!

Sweet , this is beautiful. Lets hope everything gets cleared before the monsoon session ends. Does anyone have the text for the bill??
Ajai Singh

They got the medical-college stuff out 2 weeks ago and just passed the 8 new IITs plus conversion of IT-BHU into IIT-BHU.

Two weeks ago:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/IITs-med-school-plan-put-on-hold/Article1-580572.aspx

Yesterday:
Refer to the URL posted by Neelesh.

I would say wait for few more days and you would see everything done in our favour.

Again it says "proposed to convert it bhu into full fledged iit"..Dont understand why proposed word has been used. Hopefully things are happening its not proposal alone .

The word 'proposed' would be used till the bill is passed in parliament. Till then it ofcourse is only a proposal.

http://164.100.47.132/LssNew/Business/listOfBusinessCurrent.aspx

Go to list of business for August 18,2009.

Page No: 8 and article 19)

Shailendra Gupta
Trical, 05

Does that mean that the bill is going to be passed on the 18th..??

I think, it is something different.

In this question asked in Lok Sabha on July 27th, 2010 it is confirmed that IT BHU is supposed to become an IIT and has been allocated the funds required for it in the latest five yer plan, see all the way to the end.

"There is a proposal to convert the IT-BHU into an Indian Institute of Technology with an outlay of Rs.422.96 crore during the 11th Five Year Plan Period."

http://164.100.47.132/LssNew/psearch/QResult15.aspx?qref=89897

was the amendment bill passed today in parliament related to the conversion of IT-BHU to IIT ?
http://164.100.47.132/bull1/15/V/18.8.2010.pdf
(article 24)

The "Notification No. S.O. 2825 in weekly Gazette of India dated the 17th October, 2009" is mentioned. Can someone check what is there is the Gazette
?
http://www.gazetteofindia.org/mailinglist.htm

is there any chance of passing the bill on 25th august???????????

i think that is not connected to conversion..this is sthing different......section 35 of inst of tech act is sthing else http://www.iitb.ac.in/legal/IITsAct.pdf..
(24) A copy of the Council (Institutes of Technology) Amendment Rules, 2009 (Hindi and English versions) published in the Notification No. S.O. 2825 in weekly Gazette of India dated the 17th October, 2009 under sub-section (3) of Section 35 of the Institutes of Technology Act, 1961.
(25)
Statement (Hindi and English versions) showing reasons for delay in laying the papers mentioned at (24) above.

is there any chance of passing the bill on 25th august???????????

If some one wants to see what changes are required in the act, refer to the document at IIT-Roorkee's website at page 28.
http://www.iitr.ac.in/institute/uploads/File/history10022009.pdf.
Many clauses are changed for incorporating an institutions. The amendment mentioned above is for something else.
I think we still have to have patience since so far only cabinet approval is obtained. Amendment of bill for incorporating the institutions is still far.
So wait.
For those who are asking for timelines, as Animesh said earlier, this world is not deterministic. Moreover, for the Govt. there are many other things of higher priority right now. Yes, I know it is frustrating that you had a mind made up for getting an IIT degree. But that piece of paper is not the whole world for you. Till now everyone of us have achieved a lot even without the IIT brand name. So that's not the end of the world. However, we still need to lobby and push for it to so that the process doesn't stop.

It takes the process, the bureaucrats, several weeks to further prepare/format the document for presentation in the parliament once it is approved by the cabinet. But, it is a sure shot approval in the parliament for these kind of bills/laws.

can we have 2 iits in 1 state????
it's difficult first preference will be given to state which does not have an iit yet......

@Raj: Yes. We can have two IITs in 1 state. Our case is way beyond these (potential) roadblocks.

Thanks,
Animesh

Union cabinet clears Institute of Technology ammendment bill 2010............

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1100817/jsp/nation/story_12819276.jsp

cabinet ne clear kiya ya nahin ..? .. there is no news other than telegraph ..

I think it will be done by 31st Aug, because most of the things are completed.

so you mean to say .. its still pending with cabinet ??? if it will be done by 31st .. I mean the cab clearance then parliament will do it in dec. right ?

Today in each local paper the news regarding cabinet approoval is published.
check out
http://www.amarujala.com/city/varanasi/varanasi-5147-140.html

We all are thinking/assuming that it will be done. But no body knows what will exactly going to happen by 31st Aug.,10. Some students or our old alumni must approach HRD and meet Mr.Kapil Sibalji before this parliament season end. Otherwise we will again wait for the next session of Dec.,10.

> cabinet ne clear kiya ya nahin ..? ..

Arre, bilkul kar diya. Dekhiye ab to Hindiya me bhi translate ho kar apne AmarUjala me aa gaya.

Mooh meetha karo, thoda meetha paan-waam khaa lo.

LOL/ROLF

http://in.jagran.yahoo.com/epaper/index.php?location=40&edition=2010-08-21&pageno=3

आला आधिकारिक सूत्रों ने बताया कि अब भी आईआईटी को मूर्त रूप दिए जाने में करीब आठ चरण बाकी हैं।

IIT amendment bill is not listed as part of the GOVERNMENT BUSINESS FOR THE REMAINING PART OF THE SESSION:
http://164.100.24.207/bull2/2010/21.8.2010.pdf

Or is it still possible?

Dude
Business on parliament site is listed only for next day and including previous days. MHRD has its working on wednesday and you would come to know about that only on Tuesday.

Shailendra Gupta
Trical,05

that is bulletin2 .. nothing to do with the business for next day .. the release say it for the remaining part of the session ... how ever that is not a fixed lists .. so hope for the best

Dude
Why worry? If not in this session, then definately in winter session... gud luck!

Why do we keep forgetting that the BHU Act also needs amendment, till that Act is also considered, I dont think we will move an inch in the Parliament!!!

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/varanasi/IT-BHU-awaits-Parliament-approval-for-its-IIT-status/articleshow/6394199.cms

This may cause further delay in introducing the bill in the parliament.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/IITs-may-be-free-to-go-abroad/H1-Article1-590840.aspx

Nothing happened today also.. Lets wait for an year more and then see.. :):)

Recall what i said a week ago, Conversion is a sureshot thing but will happen in winter session , now things are falling in the same line. Cabinet approval is done & HRD min is for it so no body can stop it.

I second abc.

If cabinet approval is done, then why it is not there on PIB(Cabinet decesion)? Probably cabinet is agreed with all the proposals and asked HRD to include few more as per HT news.

It is wastage of time to speculate about it. Let it take its own time. If its gonna happen it will. ITBHU or IITBHU doesn't make a difference after couple of years in Job or Masters....:):)

Please see it. Institutes of Technology (Amendment) Bill, 2010 is going to be placed before Parliament on 30.08.2010

http://164.100.47.132/lob/15/V/LOB30.8.2010.pdf

Please also see it at No. 1883

http://164.100.24.207/bull2/2010/27.8.2010.pdf

Friends, finally the day has arrived. Wait till 30.08.2010 for the big news to break.

Not sure what's there in the bill though. Wait till then.

http://parliamentofindia.nic.in/ls/intro/p5.htm

In what sort of a time frame does a bill like this(which shouldn't face opposition)gets passed?
Any chance of this thing being wrapped up in the current session? Otherwise we're going to have to wait till December.

loksabha end on 31st .. while rajya sabha will be on 2nd .. if things can workout neck to neck .. there is chance .. otherwise dec ..

we have heard that this bill contains IT BHU conversion proposal, so if this bill is passed it will mean that other 8 are offially IIT's but the IT BHU conversion process will have started . In order to IT BHU to become IIT , the BHU amendment act will have to passed, which I think will be passed simultaneously. Keeping fingers crossed for this whole thing. The sooner the better...
Ajai Singh

BHU act modification is being taken care of, so dont worry!!

Shailendra Gupta
Trical,05

So if it becomes an IIT on the 30th does that mean the CTs will be cancelled?

no .. there will be more assignments, quiz and term papers ..

@ Anon said:
So if it becomes an IIT on the 30th does that mean the CTs will be cancelled?

hahahahahah u guys are hilarious!!

on 30th kapil sibal will introduce the bill into loksabha ...it does not mean that it will be iit on that day......we have to wait till it passes by both houses of parliament....and this is not one day job...it may take few months

Well, it IS going to take few months coz Rajya Sabha will take up the Bill only in the Winter Session as on their last working day(Aug 31), they will be entertaining only their unfinished business of Monaday.

Bill introduced in Lok Sabha today . May even be passed today!
http://www.ptinews.com/news/912552_Bill-to-declare-IT-BHU-as-IIT

Yeah the news is all over the place -

http://news.in.msn.com/national/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4323104

Shailendra Gupta
Trical, 05

Thanks all for the links. I am moving the discussion to the new post at

http://www.itbhuglobal.org/archives/2010/08/itbhu_to_iit_conversion_bill_i.html

Thanks,
Animesh