About | Site Map | Contact

August 30, 2010
IITBHU Global Editor @ 01:38 AM IIT?


Note: This page will be frequently updated to reflect the latest news.

___________________________________

This page will contain updates from August 30, 2010 onwards.

Update 1: [August 30, 2010]: The Bill to convert IT-BHU to IIT was presented in the Lok Sabha Today

From PTI:

New Delhi, Aug 30 (PTI) A bill to declare the Institute of Technology of Benaras Hindu University as an IIT and include eight new IITs within its ambit as institutions of national importance was introduced in the Lok Sabha today.

The Institutes of Technology (Amendment) Bill 2010, introduced by Minister of State for HRD D Purandeswari, is in line with "the overall thinking of the government to have more IIT level institutions by upgrading existing institutions as well as creating new IITs," its Statement of Objects and Reasons said.

In view of this, the need was felt to amend the Act to "effectuate the conversion of Institute of Technology, BHU, into IIT (BHU) and to bring the eight newly set up IITs within its ambit," it said.

235 Comment(s) (The views expressed here are those of the commenters, and ITBHUGlobal.org is not responsible for them.)
 sanjay malhotra said:

I told everyone to wait till 30.08.2010 for news to break & here is the big news. The Institute of Technology (amendment) bill 2010 has finally been introduced in Parliament. This bill provides for conversion of IT-BHU to IIT-BHU.

August 30, 2010 2:22 AM
 Raghvendra Mishra said:

Encouraging news ,lets hope everything goes well

August 30, 2010 2:30 AM
 Shailendra Gupta said:

This is a milestone which has been set, but we are still away from our target, Remember that too :-) !!

Shailendra Gupta
Trical, 05

August 30, 2010 2:46 AM
 Anonymous said:

Great news...hope it passes today itself..

August 30, 2010 2:48 AM
 Anand Prakash said:

This is irreversible right?? :D :D ofcourse it is!! Can it be passed today or tomorrow?? It would be excruciating to wait till December now. If it doesn't pass I swear we, at IT-BHU would do a la Bhagat Singh and [deleted by mods].

Please can somebody tell me right now how much time have bills of such nature taken in the past to pass after being introduced?

August 30, 2010 2:50 AM
 Shailendra Gupta said:

@ Anand
Please restraint yourself. Request moderator to delete above comment.

Such bills generally dont take much time.

Shailendra Gupta
Trical,05

August 30, 2010 2:53 AM
 Shailendra Gupta said:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Uproar-in-Lok-Sabha-over-Enemy-Property-Bill-/articleshow/6460808.cms

Today loksabha was adjourned because of this for 1 hour. So lets see if our bill gets passed
today itself.

Shailendra Gupta
Trical,05

August 30, 2010 3:06 AM
 Shailendra Gupta said:

The text for our bill -

http://www.prsindia.org/index.php?name=Sections&id=6&category=43

Shailendra Gupta
Trical,05

August 30, 2010 3:35 AM
 Shailendra Gupta said:

This is what our institute will be called -
Indian Institute of
Technology (Banaras Hindu University), Varanasi

Shailendra Gupta
Trical,05

August 30, 2010 3:38 AM
 Animesh Pathak CSE03 said:

Thanks for the link to the bill Shailendra. Thanks also to everyone else for the links they are posting. Keep it up :).

best wishes,
Animesh
CSE 2003

August 30, 2010 3:43 AM
 Raghvendra Mishra said:

Hi Shailendra,

Thanks a lot for the information ,just a bit of curiosity i want to know that how much time it will take to pass the bill in parliament?

August 30, 2010 3:47 AM
 Anonymous said:

Let's wish for the speedy conversion and smooth passage of bill
Just curious to know that I graduated in the year 2007, Can I call myself an IIT-Varanasi graduate when it becomes an IIT now?

August 30, 2010 3:48 AM
 vivek said:

any updates?

August 30, 2010 3:49 AM
 Shailendra Gupta said:

Any one who graduated of IT-BHU would be called a student of IIT(BHU),Varanasi.

Students who passed in 2009 and afterwards would be awarded degrees of IIT only if they are not already awarded degrees.

Passing of such bills dont take much time but still again nobody knows. Lets hope for the best.

Shailendra Gupta
Trical,05

August 30, 2010 3:53 AM
 Mahendra Tyagi said:

To anonymous,
Yes man, You can proudly call yourself an IIT graduage. Erstwhile graduates will now be part of global Pan IIT alumni community.

August 30, 2010 4:38 AM
 Anonymous said:

From the bill:

(n) notwithstanding anything contained in the Institutes of Technology
(Amendment) Act, 2010, any student who joined classes of the Indian Institute
of Technology, Banaras Hindu University on or after the commencement of
2006-2007 academic session or completed the courses on or after 2009-2010
academic session shall for the purpose of clause (b) of sub-section (1) of
section 6, be deemed to have pursued a course of study in the Indian Institute
of Technology (Banaras Hindu University), Varanasi provided that such student
has not already been awarded degree or diploma for the same course of study;

August 30, 2010 4:40 AM
 sanjay malhotra said:

Congratulations to everyone & thanks to Shailendra Gupta for the updates. May God bless everyone. Regards.

August 30, 2010 6:48 AM
 Gaurav Garg said:

Our bill has been introduced today. It will go to standing committee of parliament and then to rajya sabha and then president and finally gazette
notification. But we can publically say us now IIT(BHU), Varanasi. I think by next session we will get it passed. May be by Jan or Feb, 2011 we can
officially become an IIT. Here is the link for copy of IIT Amendment Act 2010.

http://www.prsindia.org/uploads/media/Institute%20of%20Technology%20Bill%202010.pdf

August 30, 2010 7:24 AM
 Anonymous said:

IIT (BHU), Varanasi
looks better than
IIT-BHU, Varanasi

August 30, 2010 7:50 AM
 Shailendra Gupta said:

@Sanjay
There is a big team that works behind the scenes silently, along with them, I am just a small well-wisher of my alma mater.

Thanks and Regards
Shailendra Gupta

August 30, 2010 8:13 AM
 Chandan said:

Ofcourse it will be pending untill it is passed by both houses.Wait for some more time.

August 30, 2010 9:47 AM
 Kapil Dwivedi said:

Great news... Finally one milestone achieved. Hope institute will achieve THE MILESTONE soon. WHen I was going through the original text, I felt it is "Indian Institute of Technology BHU bill" [:P ]

@Mukul
It tabled today only. It will take some more time in getting necessary clearance.

Regards
Kapil

August 30, 2010 10:18 AM
 Anonymous said:

Something for alumni...

any reference to the Institute of Technology, Banaras Hindu
University in any law for the time being in force (other than this Act) or in any
contract or other instrument shall be deemed as a reference to the Indian
Institute of Technology (Banaras Hindu University), Varanasi;

So our grade cards and degrees which have reference to IT BHU... will be deemed as reference to IIT (BHU), Varanasi... so no doubt we have to right IIT (BHU), Varanasi on our CVs etc. :)

August 30, 2010 11:26 AM
 PR said:

It seems that fortune is turning right for us. 1. Lok Sabha session, which was originally scheduled till 27th Aug 10 was extended to 31st Aug 10, thus IT bill could get introduced in Lok Sabha
2. It is the last Bill to get introduced in Lok Sabha in this session i.e. Bill No. 109

Now since it is introduced it has to be moved further for passing, which will happen in next session begining Nov'10.

Hence, keep ours fingers cross and with grace of Baba Viswanath we will see IIT (BHU), Varanasi in coming new year.

August 30, 2010 11:33 AM
 Anonymous said:

Congratulations to all of us!!! Can anyone technically define the 'introduction of Bill" and the exact protocol after that. Plz... plz... plz...soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon!!!!!!


August 30, 2010 7:21 PM
 Praharsh Sharma said:

Congratulations everyone! :) The hard work of members of ITBHU fraternity all round since years, is now reaping fruits :) We are delighted :)

August 30, 2010 7:50 PM
 Anonymous said:

Such bills generally are not referred to standing committee unless there appears to be divergence of views between parties. In this case , bill would be passed by Lok Sabha, and then by Rajya Sabha, at the earliest. Regarding, IIT (BHU) or IIT - BHU, it really doesn't matter. Moreover changing name will be much easier for government, as and when need arises, because any change w.r.t. IIT(BHU) will no longer need BHU's consent now.

August 31, 2010 1:20 AM
 Anonymous said:

Next focus of alumni should be to engineer a tie up with top US universities- MIT, Stanford , CalTech .....
Moreover work closely with government to open two campuses - one in Noida which will be easier to do and another in US /UK.

For this large no of alumni in influential position need to be persuaded to take active part. I have a feeling that many senior government officials, who were willing to offer their services for the cause, could not be tapped effectively. In addition there seems to be different groups espousing the cause. This needs to be sorted out and a coherent voice should emerge representing alumni.

August 31, 2010 1:43 AM
 Animesh Pathak CSE03 said:

Dear Anonymous:

I agree with your excellent suggestions, and indeed, ITBHUGlobal _is_ the official alumni association (given that the institute director himself is on the board in ex-officio capacity).

If you are interested to help, please send me an email at animesh @ alumni.itbhu.ac.in, so we can take it forward.

best wishes,
Animesh
CSE 2003
Alumni Volunteer

August 31, 2010 1:49 AM
 anonymus said:

yes it bhu is going to be an iit,
its good,awesome,
its our right,
but only bringing an extra "i" to our name will not serve the purpose,
there is a lot to be done to make it "IIT"
i mean not only officially but also improving the standards and working like other iits,
seriously a lot has to be done in this respect.
only calling ourselves as iitians will not do,we have to improve the standard of "iit bhu".........
to other iits.

August 31, 2010 2:03 AM
 Shailendra Gupta said:

Dear Mr Anonymous
We tried to contact many people we knew in higher administrative positions personally and through BHU community.
But yes we could not reach everyone, Now we are planning to make a group of people in government administrative positions and are seeking help in this direction, so that we can reach out to them when in need for our alma mater.

Thanks and Regards
Shailendra Gupta
Trical,05
shailendra14_j@yahoo.com

August 31, 2010 2:19 AM
 Hemant Vyas said:

This is really a tremendous news for all of us

August 31, 2010 2:21 AM
 anon said:

has the it amendment act 2010 been passed today?

August 31, 2010 3:36 AM
 Raghvendra Mishra said:

Saw a news on TV channel that one educational tribunal bill has been stopped in Rajya Sabha by one congress MP,Mr Kapil Sibbal was really annoyed on that,can someone highlight this?which educational tribunal bill is that ?

August 31, 2010 8:39 AM
 Anonymous said:

Saw a news on TV channel that one educational tribunal bill has been stopped in Rajya Sabha by one congress MP,Mr Kapil Sibbal was really annoyed on that,can someone highlight this?which educational tribunal bill is that ?

August 31, 2010 8:40 AM
 Anonymous said:

Saw a news on TV channel that one educational tribunal bill has been stopped in Rajya Sabha by one congress MP,Mr Kapil Sibbal was really annoyed on that,can someone highlight this?which educational tribunal bill is that ?

August 31, 2010 8:41 AM
 Anonymous said:

Saw a news on TV channel that one educational tribunal bill has been stopped in Rajya Sabha by one congress MP,Mr Kapil Sibbal was really annoyed on that,can someone highlight this?which educational tribunal bill is that ?

August 31, 2010 8:44 AM
 Anonymous said:

Saw a news on TV channel that one educational tribunal bill has been stopped in Rajya Sabha by one congress MP,Mr Kapil Sibbal was really annoyed on that,can someone highlight this?which educational tribunal bill is that ?

August 31, 2010 8:45 AM
 two cents said:

The IT Amendment bill to become an ACT will now be taken in the winter sesssion of the parliament that is November 2010.

For those interested in the details of the process of converting a bill into an ACT in the parliament can view the following link

http://parliamentofindia.nic.in/ls/intro/p5.htm

It is unlikely that this bill will be referred to a standing committee. However even then it will need to be passed by both the houses in the next session (or subsequnet) and then assented to by the president.

I see a couple of issues in the debates ( if that occurs in the next session)

1. Aligarh Muslim University - Zakir Hussein College : This could be a real issue and may derail if the MP's of a particular hue demand (which they have done in the past) "level playing field". This could be a potential issue.
2. BESU Shivpur : Mamta Banerjee may interject (as she has done in the past) about converting BESU into IIT. I feel this is may be minor irritant.

While introduction of the bill is a monumental step forward. Given the onerous documentation and navigation through the corridors of bureaucracy.

Sufficient to say that the outcome is by no means certain.

Regards

Two cents


August 31, 2010 8:39 PM
 ANIL RAI said:

this great news gives me double joy, as I am from 1982 batch and my son is in final year.
so big thanks to all who fought for this.
It is certainly going to have Presidents's OK by March'11.

August 31, 2010 8:50 PM
 If_Only said:

Hi,

There is a limit to being over cautious or being pessimistic.

(1) AMU never wanted to sever any of its faculty. So by choice it does not want its Engg Wing to be out of the AMU ACT.

(2) When the Major political party viz Congress as well as BJP are in favour and extremely supportive of the cause of the conversion, so how come this be DERAILED? Answer me back pls. I minor debate will never derail the process.

(3) Who is the MP of Varanasi? Surely we all know it is Dr. MM Joshi. Do we need to say anything about his intentions/ standing/ clout?

(4) For all those who have very less idea about how an Amendment Bill is prepared in the Ministries and later cleared by Cabinet with subsequent procedure in the LS RS and at the Rastrapati Bhavan for Presidential Assent may kindly learn it. Why I suggest this is coz then only few of the over excited and over pessimistic people will truly understand the business.

(5) The CONVERSION IS A NON-ISSUE NOW.... It is a mere Technicality.

(6) If you have read the whole Amendment Bill then you must have realized that how EASY it is to ESTABLISH NEW IITs. Just few legal aspects to be taken care of and no concurrence needed by any other part except for the MHRD and Fin Ministry. But just the volume of Legal aspects to be taken in account for IIT(BHU). Hope this makes it clear to one and all that why so much energy and times was taken in the first place.

(7) These are academic aspects. When the intent of then GoI is made public viz the forums like PARLIAMENT then it rarely can be retracted.

(8) "educational tribunal bill"
Pls do some your own research. You yourself will realize that sometimes getting out of the cynical psychology is so very essential for one and all. It is altogether a different issue. And it was a POLITICAL issue from day one unlike the establishment of IITs.

(9) Kindly raise more pertinent issues now. Like How the ex-officio position of the VC of BHU at the Board of Gov of IIT(BHU) shall hinder the unrestricted progress of the institute. There are 2 members in the Senate that need to be taken from BHU. Also will the new Statute and Ordinances unnecessarily put restrictive burden on IIT vis-a-vis BHU.

(10) For those who are too concerned about the nomenclature my two cents. As far as the Naming convention goes let me give the Example of IIM Shillong. Though officially it is coined as RG-IIM but even its logo depicts the name IIM-Shillong. Many of the official conversation is done in the name of IIM-S. So lets now bother. We may quite conveniently use IIT, Varanasi unless it is now an absolute necessity to use the suffix (BHU). For rest it should not be an issue.

Regds,
IF_ONLY

August 31, 2010 9:15 PM
 Anonymous said:

Dear Animesh,
We are aware of the work being done by large no of alumni. Moreover help is not extended just by registering to an organisation. IIT conversion is important for all of us and many people have contributed in its success in their individual capacity also. My point is that we should make it more broad based and try to involve influential people who may be fence sitters as of now.

August 31, 2010 9:55 PM
 Animesh Pathak CSE03 said:

Dear Anonymous: I agree with your point that many people have contributed in their personal capacity for this conversion effort, and also that we should "make it more broad based and try to involve influential people who may be fence sitters as of now.".

Please let me know concrete ideas for achieving this by email.


All: While we discuss the next steps, please note the following:
1. Let's appreciate the complexity and unpredictability of the Indian system, and be cautiously optimistic. I, for one, will celebrate only when the board outside the director's office changes :).

2. Please refrain from abusing commenters, institutes, or universities. In order to keep the discussion civil, we may have to remove some comments.

best wishes,
Animesh

August 31, 2010 11:51 PM
 Anonymous said:

IIT, BHU or IIT Varanasi is a conservative issue. Just rise up and start doing something genuinely creative which can bring greater recognition to us. Uh! still crying about silly and unimportant things.

August 31, 2010 11:57 PM
 Yogesh Upadhyaya said:

Hi all:

We appreciate the discussion on this web page by Shailendra, Kapil, various Anonymous, other aliases, etc. and coutless others. The posting of media and govt. links are also useful for us to track the progress of IIT conversion. Some of the links and info we use for our chronicle magazine.

The IIT conversion progress is a combined efforts of hundreds of students, alumni, faculty, administration and particularly help from govt. minsters and officials.

Thanks,

Yogesh Upadhyaya
Chemical 1977

September 1, 2010 2:15 AM
 Anonymous said:

Yogesh, Animesh & the entire team behind the conversion effort, I know it's a bit early to pop the bubbly, but I would like to really thank you all from the bottom of my heart for this great project undertaken by you all as volunteers. Though I don't know you guys personally, but am aware that you have worked tirelessly behind the scenes and deserve a big salute from all of us for this superb effort. You do IT BHU proud !

September 1, 2010 9:43 PM
 Anonymous said:

Members here might find this interesting...Winter Session of House advanced due to Obama's visit.

http://www.financialexpress.com/news/Winter-Session-advanced-as-Obama-likely-to-address-House/675997/

September 2, 2010 2:22 AM
 Anonymous said:

I agree with If_only and several other friends.We are through and set. Unwanted fears raised by Two cents have been baseless and over projected!!! We should understand that AMU was never in the Govt. agenda and BESU issue as raised was just a political dramatics. A non serious one lacking any support. Now the bill is introduced to glide smoothly through the regular channels in due and routine course. We are all set to be an IIT soon!!! Cheers to all!!!

September 5, 2010 3:48 AM
 Anonymous said:

The bill says :

(n) notwithstanding anything contained in the Institutes of Technology
(Amendment) Act, 2010, any student who joined ..... on or after the commencement of
2006-2007 academic session or completed the courses on or after 2009-2010
..... be deemed to have pursued a course of study in the Indian Institute
of Technology (Banaras Hindu University), Varanasi .....


I am not clear (as per the wording of the text) whether students who completed courses before 2007 would be deemed to have pursued a course in IIT(BHU)-V.

September 7, 2010 11:52 PM
 Animesh Pathak CSE03 said:

As someone said in an earlier comment in this post,

++
any reference to the Institute of Technology, Banaras Hindu
University in any law for the time being in force (other than this Act) or in any
contract or other instrument shall be deemed as a reference to the Indian
Institute of Technology (Banaras Hindu University), Varanasi;
++

So you can write IIT(BHU)-Varanasi in your resumes, no matter when you graduated :).

September 8, 2010 12:03 AM
 Anonymous said:

correct Animesh bhaiya ,name in Resume matters , nobody is going to see your degrees :) . Let us hope for the best ...

nitin
che 06

September 8, 2010 7:57 PM
 Vikas said:

Animesh,
what about the people graduated like 1990 or before? Can they use IIT-BHU V ?

September 9, 2010 7:55 AM
 Animesh Pathak CSE03 said:

@Vikas: yes, _anyone_ graduates since 1923 (first batch), can use IIT-BHU V.

September 9, 2010 7:59 AM
 Manoj said:

Nitin,
I agree only name in resume matters. Even today ppl in industry perceive ITBHU as an IIT, however if you are planing for higher studies, they will ask for your degree certificate and transcript, and also companies do background check where u have to produce your degree.

Interesting scenario wud be -

Lets say I m passout of 2006, if I apply for transcript, will i get the name of institute written as IIT or faculty of eng-bhu which i guess currently being written ? If name of inst written as IIT, then degree certi and transcript will not bear the same name and we need to testify both now faculty of eng is IIT.

September 9, 2010 11:06 AM
 Manoj said:

Nitin,
I agree only name in resume matters. Even today ppl in industry perceive ITBHU as an IIT, however if you are planing for higher studies, they will ask for your degree certificate and transcript, and also companies do background check where u have to produce your degree.

Interesting scenario wud be -

Lets say I m passout of 2006, if I apply for transcript, will i get the name of institute written as IIT or faculty of eng-bhu which i guess currently being written ? If name of inst written as IIT, then degree certi and transcript will not bear the same name and we need to testify both now faculty of eng is IIT.

September 9, 2010 11:07 AM
 Anonymous said:

Manoj,

In above scenario, it would be worthwhile for you to keep a copy of the above bill, that says
++
any reference to the Institute of Technology, Banaras Hindu
University in any law for the time being in force (other than this Act) or in any
contract or other instrument shall be deemed as a reference to the Indian
Institute of Technology (Banaras Hindu University), Varanasi;
++

September 9, 2010 11:24 AM
 Abhijeet said:

I used to see many Roorkee people writing, IIT-Roorkee (formerly, University of Roorkee). Even their web site had this for a year or so. So I think you need to write IIT(BHU) (formerly, IT-BHU). This will clarify any doubts.

September 9, 2010 1:12 PM
 Lakshman Singh said:

THE INSTITUTES OF TECHNOLOGY (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2010

FINANCIAL MEMORANDUM (Page 8)
Clause 2 of the Institutes of Technology (Amendment) Bill, 2010 provides for
establishment of eight new Indian Institutes of Technology including conversion of
Institute of Technology – Banaras Hindu University into Indian Institute of Technology
Varanasi and their declaration as institutions of national importance.
************************************************
Here the bill talks about the new name as IIT-Varanasi. However at other places the bill specifies new name as IIT(BHU), Varanasi. Moderators pls clarify.

September 10, 2010 3:06 AM
 Animesh Pathak CSE03 said:

@Lakshman Singh: The name is going to officially be "IIT(BHU) Varanasi". There seems to be a typo in the bill in the text you posted.

Thanks,
Animesh

September 10, 2010 3:20 AM
 d.k.tyagi said:

IIT's can start medical cources says times of india delhi of 11.09.2010. it says istitute of technology bill sall be amended means one more amendment?

September 10, 2010 8:48 PM
 Anonymous said:

Yes, a little bit of patience is required but the goal is visible. IT, BHU will be IIT in the first quarter of 2011. No needless worries now. Hurdles have already been cleared off. Thanks to MHRD.

September 12, 2010 8:20 AM
 Anonymous said:

Think +ve. All will be well.

September 12, 2010 7:15 PM
 Anonymous said:

We must heartfully thank the Hon'ble Minister of MHRD, Mr. Kapil Sibal without whose generous support and irrespective of our giant efforts, nothing would have been the outcome!!!!

September 12, 2010 9:20 PM
 Anonymous said:

After converting into IIT(BHU),Varanasi it will definitely count in top 5 iits.

September 12, 2010 10:49 PM
 Anonymous said:

Can anybody explain what is the difference between "Engineering departments" and "Schools" at IT BHU. I presume the degress awareded are same.

September 13, 2010 9:15 PM
 Atul Taneja said:

Dear Anonymous (Sept 12, 2010) It was NDA which proposed the conversion and figured out IT, BHU at the top. Thanks to then Honorable HRD minister who is at present the MP from Varanasi. It is good that present govt and the MHRD is following the footprints on the road map laid befor them cleraly.

September 13, 2010 9:28 PM
 Yogesh Upadhyaya said:

Dear Anonymous:

Our college has 10 engineering departments, 3 schools of engineering and 3 applied science departments.

Generally, school means a specialized field of learning. Colleges/Universities offer a variety of courses and have many faculty/departments. However, a school is a place of higher learning and specialize in a field. In west, there are schools of medicine or law schools or schools of business management.

We normally think school as lower in value than college in education. But English language is strange. We have goods sent by truck/car and we call it a shipment; while goods carried by ship is called cargo.

September 14, 2010 3:15 PM
 Shailendra Gupta said:

@Yogesh
Simply Great :-)!!

September 14, 2010 7:36 PM
 Anonymous said:

@Yogesh

In (I)IT-BHU, departments admit larger number of students persuing various courses and they will have facility for this. Schools can take limited number of students.When the number of students increase, surely the school will be converted to a department.

September 15, 2010 9:20 PM
 Anonymous said:

what are the websites:

www.iitv.org
www.iitvaranasi.org

who is operating these websites. why two alumni websites.

Also, an appropriate domain name needs to be sought for this website as well (with an extra "i")

September 16, 2010 4:00 AM
 Animesh Pathak CSE03 said:

Hi,
Thanks for your comment.

We already own http://www.iitbhuglobal.org etc. [click this link to check]

The links you sent are websites personally owned by an ex-volunteer.

Please feel free to mail me if you have any questions.

Thanks,
Animesh
animesh@gmail . com

September 16, 2010 5:21 AM
 Yogesh Upadhyaya said:

@Anonymous:

The Schools will become department when they start offering undergraduate courses.

September 17, 2010 2:18 AM
 If_Only said:

@Dr. Animesh,

Without undermining the importance of BHU, may I know whether it is better to showcase our institute as IIT-Varanasi instead of IITBHU for all practical purposes just like IIM-Shillong.

In this context that alias of this website may more more suitable if it reflect the name Varanasi in place of bhu. Just my thoughts.

In any case the IT-Act amendment does not provide any too rigid umbilical chord with BHU. Just that they have some say in the Board and Senate. But anyway they are not in majority in the Board or the Senate.
The suffix BHU is more sentimental and historical in its perceptive. Let us make it redundant.

I know some may be opposed to it. But dont we know that this naming is purely because of the high-handedness of BHU Admin and not coz Alum or GoI wanted.
Also BHU and IIT are entirely two seperate legal entity and two sets of completely different university. Infact the Status of the Director of IIT is way above that of a VC of a Central University.

May I have your opinion pls.

Regards,
If_only

September 17, 2010 5:09 AM
 M Khanduri said:

I agree & support if_only's view. Animesh Bhaiya, you probably misunderstood my point when I urged all to drop BHU & use Varanasi instead. See how we have to carry unnecessary baggage. Some B Com students committed ragging which is all over news channels today & then we have to explain to peopl e that it's not Our insti.

September 17, 2010 6:53 AM
 Imran@EE 2007 said:

Hi,

I believe that it is high time that the IT-BHU website got a major face lift.

For example, I can't seem to find the first year syllabus for the common BTech courses. Also, the website should start mentioning the IIT conversion news so that people visiting the website are aware of the turn of events. I believe departments like Math and Computing have tremendous potential if they hire new dynamic faculty members, provide detailed information on their websites and start sending students to top schools in the US and elsewhere for higher studies.

Lastly, I commend the hard work of our distinguished alumnis such as Mr. Yogesh and current students who have devoted countless hours to the IIT conversion mission.

Imran Haque
Graduate Student
Department of Statistics
Purdue University

September 17, 2010 2:17 PM
 Anonymous said:

Yogesh and Animesh,

Could you clarify what role BHU administration will play a role once IT is converted to an IIT. (I assume this will happen by mid next year).

Is there any sticky point to the above that is still under controversy or is everything settled in law and spirit ? Will BHU still provide financial assistance to IT down the road ?

The last thing we want is to see the BHU VC rubbing his nose in into this.

BHU being the best university in India as per your website is a coffee table discussion point. Hate to see this IIT BHU jargon.

Moreover has the IT BHU administration (Faculty and Dean) published any road map of how they intend to do an overhaul of the system in the near future

Thanks and keep up the good work.

September 17, 2010 7:07 PM
 Anonymous said:

well couple of points ..
1. status of a vice chancellor is above the director of the institute as per the protocol is concern.

2. In long run; having a good relation with bhu is not going to hurt rather help in so many way .. like collaborating with IMS or say Faculty ..

3. if you hate the uni admin and politics .. trust me IITs are no better in that respect and IT BHU is also no different

4. There are a lot of points where you will find IT on back footing in comparison with the counter part if the uni .. so no point in mentioning it here ..

September 17, 2010 9:10 PM
 Anony said:

Why not let it be decided democratically. Run an opinion poll in all forums,whether ex & current students prefer IIT-BHU or IIT Varanasi.

September 18, 2010 5:06 AM
 Anonymous said:

its beyond the control to change any thing now .. and one should not think as well in that direction which has no meaning.

September 18, 2010 5:11 AM
 Anonymous said:

I agree with naming the website without the BHU tag. It was really sad to hear the ragging news and therefore the implicit perception of association with the incident.

Atleast naming the alumni-URL is under the control of alumni members :-)

Why not rename it in lines of alumni-URLs of other IITs.

For all I know, this is the official alumni site. This site links from "itbhu.ac.in" official institute site.

Infact, I would like to put a humble request to the ex-volunteer/owner of www.iitvaranasi.org to relinquish that domain name. Or lets innovate and come up with a better url.

Yogesh & Animesh can arbitrate or take suggestions from all.

September 18, 2010 5:51 AM
 Anonymous said:

Dear Anonymous/If_only/Khaduri:

Thanks for your concern about proposed name of IIT-BHU, Varanasi. My views are as follows:

1) The naming of proposed IIT is IIT-BHU, Varanasi. It is already decided by the HRD ministry and is done deal and non-negotiable. Our alumni association name and website will follow that name.

2) Many of us are wondering about the name which will be different than other 15 IITs (such as IIT, Kanpur, etc.). The reasons are as follows:

2a) Unlike other IITs, our institute is not started as IIT from a barren land. It is part of an existing univeristy and portion will be carved out of mother university, hence the new name is appropriate. When University of Roorkee was converted into IIT-Roorkee in 202. But it was converted entirely and not like us which was only a part of current univeristy.

2b) BHU has nurthured our college for past 80 years and there is nothing wrong if the mother univertity's name is associated with our college in future.

2c) At first glance, the name appears odd (compared to names of other IITs), but in next few years, it will become a household name. Remember that before IIT-Kharagpur was established in 1952, govt. asked UP chief minister G B Pant to allow University of Roorkee to be converted to first IIT of the country. Mr. Pant refused as it did not want to lower the standard of university by associating it with unknown name of IIT!

3) BHU will play active role with our institute in future. It will inlcude:

3a) Having VC as chairman for first 3 years (and co-chairman for remaining years) of the IIT-BHU governing board

3b)There will be collaboration of IIT-BHU with other faculties of BHU including research collaboration, exchange of faculty/students.

3c) We will share resources with BHU including stadium, power supply, water supply, library, etc.

Yogesh Upadhyaya

September 18, 2010 5:15 PM
 Anonymous said:

Yogesh,

Thanks for answering the name tag issue here. Your responses are logical and to a large extent understandable. It is hard to cut off the umbilical cord from BHU.

Any answers to the question:-

" Has IT BHU administration (Faculty and Dean) published any road map of how they intend to do an overhaul of the system in the near future "

I mean in all spectrum :-

1) Faculty hiring
2) Improvement in curriculum
3) changes in lab / infrastructure
4) hostel infrastructure changes
5) Pan-IIT involvement
6) R&D collaboration with other IITs and/or other institutes of prominence
...

Have you asked the IT Director / Dean for such topics ?

September 18, 2010 8:23 PM
 Anonymous said:

few things i can comment on ..

1. faculty hiring ..
people are just waiting for the official notification .. so that the recruitment with IIT norms can be done ..

2. Talk has already started to change the curriculum

3. it is mostly desired for undergraduate lab in 1st year and we all know the situation of Applied Dept. :( an initiative should come from there ..

4. construction is already on ( from OBC reservation implementation money) hope few more will be in pipeline

5. its mostly the active involvement of Alumni ..

6. Should be done on faculty front .. those who are active in research are already having these kind of collaboration ..and those who are not involved in research one can not push them .. so one need to wait for new faculty ..

September 19, 2010 3:26 AM
 Yogesh Upadhyaya said:

Dear Imran:

1) This is about your query for finding common syllabus on www.itbhu.ac.in website. You can find part I courses on chemical dept. website:

http://itbhu.ac.in/che/index.php/courses/34-btech.html

Each department website has a section called courses. Please note that our institute website has lots of info available but you will have to navigate through all links to find that. In August issue of chronicle, we published some info about tuition fees, change of branch policy and getting official transcript from the institute and hilighted links. Many times alumni ask in www.itbhu.yahoogroups about getting transcript, but it is prominently displayed on website. In Sept issue I plan to explore link for courses, etc.

2) The IIT Bill is just introduced in parliament in August. The process will last couple of months and it will become official only in December. Hence institute may not post any announcement, although we can post on our alumni website.

Yogesh Upadhyaya

September 19, 2010 4:13 AM
  Imran@EE 2007 said:

Dear Yogesh,

Thanks a lot for your response.

I looked up the link that you posted but like all the other departments, the link has syllabus only from the 2nd year onwards.

I tried looking at other departments web-pages too but all of them seem to have the syllabus from the 2nd year onwards.

Imran Haque

September 19, 2010 11:39 AM
 mukesh said:

dear imran
the link posted by Yogesh sir is having all the details that u wanted.....i dont know why u are unable to look at that which is at very begining of the link

September 20, 2010 4:33 AM
 Anonymous said:

What is this now (from the above link)?

"Members are informed that the Hon’ble Chairman, Rajya Sabha in consultation with the Speaker, Lok Sabha has referred the Institutes of Technology (Amendment) Bill, 2010, as introduced in Lok Sabha, to the Standing Committee on Human Resource Development for examination and report within three months."

September 20, 2010 9:18 AM
 Two cents said:

This is as per the Indian legislative process. Any Bill that is introduced in the assembly MAY be referred to a standing committee of the respective ministry that initiated it.

While it is nothing extraordinarly however I do feel this is surprising (as noted in my earlier post) I personally was not expecting this. The amendment has no references to any contentious issues as the Bill seeks to recognise the new IIT's and IT - BHU and nothing else.

Hence surprising but as per the legislative process.

September 20, 2010 9:29 PM
 Sanjay Malhotra said:

Three months means a lot of time that would probably end in December 2010, which further means end of winter session as the same is most likely to start early in view of Mr. Obama's visit to India. Mr. Kapil Sibal is trying hard but system is not favoring neither him nor us. Let's hope the committee gives its report early...

September 21, 2010 4:49 AM
 Bharat Barot said:

Pls do not be ignorant of the facts.Just a couple years back some incidents related to ragging and violence was also reported from IT BHU.Don't blame BHU for it.If you have dealt with other Univs,u will raelize that BHU admn is far superior.I have dealt with Madras and Mumbai Uni and so I can say that.BHU is already having all that which other IITs long for e.g.Medical Institue ,Agri Institute,Music faculty.What is needed is just a better publicity.For your info BHU was far ahead of all other Univs an IITs till 1994 which can be seen from the research mappings.It was next only to IISC,BARC,TIFR.My dear fellow Itians needs to remember this. I always felt that the institute should have been named IIT,BHU without any reference to Varanasi as BHU campus is the location of IIT.We had alrady taken survey in yahoo group in the past and majority was in favour of IIT-BHU

September 21, 2010 6:17 AM
 Anonymous said:

So Mr. Bharat Barot , we should only live in the past ? We should compare with exisiting Universities (not IITs) ?

Have you seen the quality of JEE students entering now? Have you looked at the faculty publications lately?

I work with many young IIT engineers at work and i have to say that IT BHU engineers are lacking behind. They are not even considered worthy of recruitemnt for some positions just because they do not have that IIT background.

I blame this on BHU mostly. Partly because they are not being trained well at the institute which seems to enjoy this babu / casteist like work culture and faculty mindset.

We should look ahead and see how we can be in top 5 IITs and not compare with Universities which are way behind.

You can recite all past laurels and they are great if you want to tell them to your grandkids but look around and you will see webpages / comments of IIT profs asking JEE candidates to stay away from IT BHU till it becomes IIT.

Don't you want to change that as quickly as possible ?

Let us not say IT "was" this and that , let's see what it can be.

September 21, 2010 8:44 AM
 Shailendra Gupta said:

Dear Friends
I agree with almost every comment made here. What we should all understand here is -

1. We are long past the naming issues, so talking about them is futile.

2. We still have a long way to go before we are made IIT-BHU or IIT-Varanasi. So we should conserve our energy for the remaining journey.

Patience and involvement from everyone is deeply appreciated.

Thanks and Regards
Shailendra Gupta
Trical,05

September 21, 2010 9:39 AM
 devil's advocate said:

Upadhyay Sir & Barot Sir,
with due respect I would like to put my view as
1. We all know that legally its IIT(BHU)Varanasi & degrees will have BHU name in them. Nobody is questioning that. The point which is being put is that in our lingo we can promote IIT Varanasi & make it popular so that we can keep our separate identity.

2. Regarding interaction with various faculties of BHU-- Stop romonticizing things which do not exist in reality. We all have spent 4 years in IT & never seen any kind of positive interaction or response with BHU. Only instances when it came , it was some or the other negative thing , which I would not mention here.

3. A poll was conducted in yahoo groups, how many people participated, was it representative ? why not cover all popular forums, like a poll can be run on this site itself.

4.All which is being demanded is that we should promote the name IIT Varanasi in our usage & try to allign ourselves with other IITs only. See the current reality. So many new Central universities have been created , as well many new IITs. What quality of students we are able to attract today, & what will in future if continue to make more noise about our BHU connection

We need to move with the time , otherwise we will become another 'Allahabad University' which was once called 'Oxford' of the east.

September 21, 2010 10:50 AM
 Anonymous said:

All,

Please use IIT Varanasi in common day to day lingo. pleas don't refer to it as IIT (BHU) Varanasi, unless you are sending an official document.

I agree with Mr Advocate above. No need to keep harping about BHU and its faculties. We are inside BHU and that is more than enough ! Focus on making IIT Varanasi great now !

September 21, 2010 12:15 PM
 aw said:

What about on resumes? I think Indian Institute of Technology, Varanasi should be fine...

September 21, 2010 12:33 PM
 anon said:

What about on resumes? I think Indian Institute of Technology, Varanasi should be fine...

September 21, 2010 12:35 PM
 sharad gupta said:

Please don't suggest any thing that is not possible in official way otherwise it may question any thing and answer to trivial questions only complicate the situations no poll can be helping then remember...it is still an uncompleted task time is again trying to test it in one way or another as... just one year back incident is another time tester and mere de-linking in troubled time is unwelcome stand.

September 21, 2010 8:11 PM
 Anonymous said:

Forget resumes for a second.

If we can prove that we can be in top 5 IITs we will be fine. Give it whatever name you name IIT-BHU , IIT (BHU) Varanasi , IIT Varanasi , whatever ..

We have got to get
a) better students (can only happen if we do the following)
b) better faculty (not the ones that are simply warming seats) purely on merit
c) better up to date courses and schools of technical excellence
(we have some but we need more)
c) More R&D internship projects to make sure students coming out of college are well attuned to industry
d) bring in faculty / have talks with Professors who are well averse in new research areas.
e) better library and access to trends in the respective areas

The proof is in the pudding.

I can assure you without these we will probably get the preceding "I" in IT but we won't be successful.

I urge Yogesh and those at the helm to appoint a committee that can work with the IT BHU faculty and get things on track. The current focus is to get IT the IIT tag which is great but we need to be more open and create a task force committee.

There are many Professors from IT BHU (or others) who have accomplished much in engineering field specially those who have moved on to do active research abroad. We need to get them to advise us and create a strong alumni and a devoted task force committee.

I feel disappointed in the Chronicle publication. I wish it contained more information on active research areas and advise to students on topics to look at and do thesis on.

There is lot to do than just getting the "I". Getting the "I" definitely helps but if you want to build a stronger IIT with a good alumni we need more pro-activeness .

September 21, 2010 8:34 PM
 Anonymous said:

For this discussion we can say "we are counting eggs before they are hatched".
Bill is sent to the standing committee in Rajya Sabha. They have to submit report in 3 months but it is not an obligation. They can take their own sweet time.
It may be possible that current final batch will not get an IIT degree. In addition, lingo, common term etc. doesn't matter. We should use whatever name the government gives it.
Even HBS and Wharton say that their schools provide enormous opportunities to students because of the universities they are associated to. We should also build our unique brand and have close interaction with BHU to provide our guys more opportunities to collaborate and learn.

September 22, 2010 2:25 PM
 Anonymous said:

For this discussion we can say "we are counting eggs before they are hatched".
Bill is sent to the standing committee in Rajya Sabha. They have to submit report in 3 months but it is not an obligation. They can take their own sweet time.
It may be possible that current final batch will not get an IIT degree. In addition, lingo, common term etc. doesn't matter. We should use whatever name the government gives it.
Even HBS and Wharton say that their schools provide enormous opportunities to students because of the universities they are associated to. We should also build our unique brand and have close interaction with BHU to provide our guys more opportunities to collaborate and learn.

September 22, 2010 2:26 PM
 Anonymous said:

Don't compare BHU with HBS and Wharton universities. Its hillarious ! Even IITs fail to figure in top 100 worldwide. What a shame! We keep cribbing bout BHU or IIT tag and the nation cannot get CWG to compeltion

September 22, 2010 6:34 PM
 Anonymous said:

Even HBS and Wharton say that their schools provide enormous opportunities to students because of the universities they are associated to.

>> Are you making a comparison for comparison's sake?

We should also build our unique brand and have close interaction with BHU to provide our guys more opportunities to collaborate and learn.

>> You must be dreaming to think that other BHU professors will collaborate to do anything substantial that will benefit IT.
If all that had to happen it would have happened by now. If the past is any proof i would be very skeptic.


September 22, 2010 9:37 PM
 Anonymous said:

Don't go by literal comparison. This was just to say though HBS and Wharton are big brands in themselves; they mention their affiliations to the university and their collaboration programs. It helps. It provides wide gamut of opportunities to students, to interact and learn.
I am not comparing HBS and Wharton with anything of that sort available in India. It will take time for us to reach that level that but I will say, we are doing great given the resources we have. Just don’t compare the standards. Look at the money, facilities and even the countries (standard of living itself is different) involved. Even Minnesota community college has better infra than IT. Does that mean it is better than IT? No, it is not.
Here we have a unique thing, an institute in same campus as the university (currently same Uni, later an autonomous institute and Uni). That too a university with rich heritage and more than hundred disciplines taught. This is not available with any of the IITs. We need to look for opportunities to work with those in the university. I know there are/will be problems. However it will provide us edge over other IITs.
Regarding me, I had a great experience of working with an Agriculture Prof. in a project related to sustainable development. It is difficult but not impossible. Final year students should take initiative. Once an IIT and able to devise own courses, we can really do something that will help us to establish our unique identity.

September 23, 2010 11:42 AM
 Anonymous said:

Don't compare BHU with HBS and Wharton universities. Its hillarious ! Even IITs fail to figure in top 100 worldwide. What a shame! We keep cribbing bout BHU or IIT tag and the nation cannot get CWG to completion

@Anonymous
Nothing is hilarious in this. Always remember that we are producing good engineers, at par engineers with less that 1/20th facilities available to us (I am realistic here and therefore, not talking about Doctors). You say we don't figure in top 100. True, but do you know where we are coming from. Still 70% of India, if I am not wrong, is poor. Living standards, Per capita income and other parameters should be considered before saying anything about standards. Without being sarcastic do something to improve the std. :):)
Regarding CWG, it is a wrong investment or even wrong priority. People took this to make money.. and now we are paying for that. What on earth makes these people think that India is ready to invest this much in CWG when we are still struggling with poverty? May be gov knows.

September 23, 2010 11:56 AM
 Anonymous said:

So that we do not derail from the main topic of "IT to IIT conversion and beyond" i am ok with all your comments.

Comparing two institutes is futile.

Anyway, does it even make sense that we are talking about IIT conversion when everything in the future seems shady as far as Govt. is concerned.

First the HRD ministry initiated and approved the IIT bill, now the Rajya Sabha is sending it back to them. Can someone please shed a light on this.
Maybe we are all getting too excited for nothing.

September 23, 2010 12:19 PM
 3rd yr mechanical said:

hmm....... i'm a 3rd yr studnt in IT itself
its a gret 4r us 2 hear dat wesud soon b cald IITians but b4r it cums tru i think dat da iit cultur must b inculcated in evrythin ryt 4rm studnt 2 faculty 2 management
in fact da mangmt is so poor dat derz nopropr regulation................. classes r prety irregular livin condtions r so poor dat studnts r often ill.in fact in 1styr der r branches in which 60-70% of da stunts hav caught eye flu.. but drez no one 2 manage da situn.da hostl warden whoz supposd 2 b der evryday visit dem once in a month.... morovr evryone myt no dat itz raggin free campus but no one knowz how poor raggin goes on.... so i wud reqst da managemnt 2 considr da helthy criticism in2 account nd make it just not an iit but a gud IIT

September 24, 2010 4:37 AM
 Alumni 95 said:

Dear 3rd year mechanical,

Soon you will be a graduate so there is a little advice. It's ok to write this if you are in rush and typing a sms. On this kind of forum try to use proper english. If you use this kind of language no one will pay attention to what you write.

As far as management and politics etc are concerned believe it or not IITs are no different. Once institute gets funding at par with IITs definitely standard will improve.

Take care

September 24, 2010 11:53 AM
 Alum96 said:

Alum95...well said.

September 24, 2010 7:16 PM
 Abhijeet said:

Forget about IITs, even world famous universities like University of Washington-Seattle, Purdue, Carnegie Mellon also witness politics. Imagine, a PhD student may be said four months before his graduation that he should change his adviser!! The person has devoted years for something, and before graduating, he is told that stay few more years, because I am not gonna graduate you!!
Politics is there where you see human beings. Don't get carried away by that. You do your job and give your best shot. Why do you care about politics? Yes, I agree that because of politics, you may be deprived of many things which you feel is necessary for you. But that happens everywhere. You will have to learn to make choices. In fact, I heard that in IIT Madras, professors of some departments discriminate students on basis of their being north and south Indian. Isn't this politics? Welcome to the real world.

September 24, 2010 10:22 PM
 Abhijeet said:

One more thing. Individual instances cannot tarnish the image of an institute in one night. Despite these instances, do you still not regard IITs as the top institutions? However, spreading word about such incidents do show your frustration and failure in life. People who want to do something good do not care for gossiping around. Find some good work to do. That will help you more.

September 30, 2010 8:10 AM
 sophomore student said:

dear anonymous!

i have much more to say but i guess you must be quite satisfied by these replies.

how lame of you to first start with ragging and then deviating to blame institute for some really sad and unfortunate accident, and then to keep nagging about vehicles and stuff like that!

September 30, 2010 9:43 AM
 Anonymous said:

I think it is not the administration but us students to blame. What can administration do if someone drinks too much and jumps into the Ganges(I am not being insensitive to the loss, he was my batchmate.) However some losers suggest removing the bikes and keeping students locked up etc. Tomorrow they'll say ban alcohol shops, people drink and die in accidents.I think we all are grown enough to take our decisions and face the consequences. What does it have to do with conversion to IIT?

September 30, 2010 1:20 PM
 Anonymous said:

well said anonymous !! I think, engineering students are grown up and they should understand their responsibilities ...
Everyday, we are seeing news that most of the rivers in north India are overflowing and getting vibrant. There is no point to go near the river esp in night and on top of that drunk ..this is ridiculous .. Just think about their families and those hopes that they nurtured for their sons ...this is very very sad accident ...
There is no point to blame administration for this accident .. Its not very easy to keep a close eyes on students .. what if this incident happened during the day time ...

September 30, 2010 2:03 PM
 Shailendra Gupta said:

Looks like moderators should do something.


1. No personal comments are allowed on anyone on this forum.
2. Refrain from any comments that dont have anything to do with ITBHU to IIT Conversion.

Shailendra Gupta
Trical,05

October 1, 2010 10:42 AM
 Sanjay Malhotra said:

@ Shailendra Gupta..... True, but when we talk of IT to IIT, it is obvious that we are transforming from one culture to another & therefore, conversion to IIT alone will not help but a better mindset is also needed to make (I)IT BHU at par with other IITs.

October 2, 2010 5:58 AM
 Shailendra Gupta said:

Dear Sanjay
I definitely respect ur thoughts but this is a public forum. We also have a group itbhu@yahoogroups.com to discuss all other topics and internal discussions :-).

Shailendra Gupta
Trical,05

October 2, 2010 6:37 AM
 Animesh Pathak CSE03 said:

Hi all,
Several recent (mostly anonymous) posts have been removed since they were a)offensive/personally-attacking, b)off-topic, or both.

Please note that this is a public forum and we shall not tolerate any comment about any faculty or institute official or about any other person. Such posting will be removed in future. Let's all stick to the topic of IIT conversion only.

If you would like to discuss issues private to ITBHU, we encourage checking out the ITBHU yahoogroup.

Thanks,
Animesh Pathak
CSE 03
ITBHUGlobal Web Team

October 2, 2010 8:15 AM
 sperothayil said:

The first contact with any institution now a days happens through the web. In this context, IT BHU website looks pathetic. Alumni and present students should work together and change this at the earliest. Please influence authorities and help them to make the site reflect the past glory and great future of the institute. All the best

October 3, 2010 6:02 AM
 Two cents said:

Hello All

Is there any news on where the standing committee is with respect to its application on the bill.

Is there a mechanism in the process to know what are the views of the committe ?

Regards

Two cents

October 7, 2010 11:54 PM
 Rohit Sachan said:

I concur with "sperothayil".
Institute's site needs to be more interactive and informative.
I can see even Copyright tag is 2 yrs old, no Placement update.
One of the good things is continuous update of seminars.
Sorry to say it here because its not all related to conversion.
but I can see a lot things can be done on that web improvement. I find this alumni site more happening than insti's site.
I am not aware of who is in charge of site.


We can start a separate thread and get alumni/student/profs suggestions to improve Institute site.

regards,
Rohit Sachan,
StanC,
Singapore

October 13, 2010 7:36 PM
 Animesh Pathak CSE03 said:

Dear All,
Some comments were made here discussing the current shortcomings of IT-BHU, and it caused quite a bit of discussion.

We deeply appreciate open discussion of what's missing at IT-BHU so we can all work to improve things, but we feel that a publicly accessible place may not be a good venue to discuss these things in detail.

Therefore, I have done two things:
1. Created a post on the ITBHUGlobal forum (accessible to all students/alumni/staff) at http://www.itbhuglobal.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=919#919 where we can discuss this at length.

2. Moved all the content (initial post by Mohan, and all comments after that) to that forum post, so as to keep the focus of this page, and keep the content suitable for viewing by a larger audience.

Best wishes,
Animesh
CSE 2003
on behalf of the Editorial Team, ITBHUGlobal.org
P.S. Please feel free to email me at animesh @ alumni.itbhu.ac.in if you have any questions/comments. Your anonymity will be preserved.

October 16, 2010 1:41 PM
 Saurabh Dubey said:

Parliament's winter session to begin on Nov 9

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Parliaments-winter-session-to-begin-on-Nov-9/articleshow/6770745.cms

Saurabh Dubey
CHE 2004

October 18, 2010 8:02 PM
 Saurabh Dubey said:


Dates allotted to HRD
November 10, 24
December 1, 8

Saurabh Dubey
CHE 2004

October 19, 2010 8:08 PM
 Anonymous said:

What is mean for
Dates allotted to HRD
November 10, 24
December 1, 8

October 20, 2010 3:09 AM
 Anonymous said:

http://news.in.msn.com/national/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4480896

Government will take stock of the performance of the new IITs established over the last couple of years at a meeting here tomorrow.

October 21, 2010 4:15 AM
 Sanjay Malhotra said:

Dear friends, unless the standing committee report is out prior to the winter session of parliament, these dates, in my opinion, are of no use.

October 21, 2010 7:51 AM
 Anonymous said:

Can someone tell about status of standing committee report related to iit conversion ?

October 22, 2010 2:10 AM
 Anonymous said:

does anybody know about any IT-BHU alumnus who is in ias or ips services or an active politician in uttar pradesh??? plzz tell.......

October 22, 2010 9:18 AM
 Anonymous said:

does anybody know about any IT-BHU alumnus who is in ias or ips services or an active politician in uttar pradesh??? plzz tell.......

October 22, 2010 11:17 PM
 Anonymous said:

I wonder we are crying for IIT tags by saying that we will get good studentd and good faculty?????????????????????? with such comments it is quite obvious that we do neither have good faculty nor good students. More surprising id that if we are devoid of good faculty then after the conversion the faculty quality will also get upgraded automatically or else we are going to create a brand new, learned and highly dynamic faculty by the turn of a switch. As far as students are concerned they are neither good in IITs nor in IT. Simply the issue is getting money and then playing with it as it happened in CWG. Infrastructure, human resources and the strength are can not be built by only bringing gigantic funds. With the existing infra and funds, which are not small if seen absolutely without any comparisons with IITs. But then, are the research, teaching, administration and management matching the funds? And just forget to be rated as fifth IIT after conversion. That is simply a daydream. The step brotherly treatment and discrimination tactics will never end.And also on one hand we do admit that we do not have good students and faculty then how can we be immediately crowned at no. 5. Keep your feet on ground and admit your systemic weaknessses and inherent inferiority complex when comparing with IITs. And please do not blame BHU administration for all that. IIT Profs. have been involved by the BHU admin in each and every role from times immemorial. What has been their contribution??? Let us give a tacit thinking before pouncing on to the wonderous day dreams. How many of us have respect for our Profs. How many of us think that our Profs are highly intellectual and learned? May be now the situation has worsened after passage of so many years with all the senior faculty retirements and the IT flooded with even worse faculty being devoid of having no lineage of intellectual descendence.

Even IITs are not accredited as world-class university in genuine world-class ratings. For that matter, what has been there role in Nation building??? Frequent power breakdowns, poor roads and traffic managemebt, non-availability of water; what to say of pure drinking water, poor sanitation, poor manufacturing qualities, poor heavy engg.

IISc, TIFR, BARC are much better.

So let us stop our wishful thinking that by conversion and huge grant releases can bring a sea-change in us. Even now if we compare the IT funds with the funds available to other faculties/Depts of BHU, it is huge. BUT then some of the Depts in Science, Humanities and even Law have proved much better than IT.

People as well as students have developed a very wrong tendency of blaming and hiding their weakness under the robe of fund paucity.


Rethink with cool head. On the other hand, also see that with creation of so many IITs the standard and rating of IITs has already gone down.

BHU still stands tall and is blessed with its unique model of education, which is copied by IITs madly. Now they are going to start the medical courses, which BHU already has. They started diverdifying very late wheraes BHU had been since the beginning. Do not sever your knots with BHU. Administration is run by the people and people are same everywhere with plus/minus 1-15 % tolerance level. Eventually we may have 25 IITs but BHU will be only one even then.

October 23, 2010 8:23 AM
 Rajesh Sahni said:

I agree with anonymous Oct 23, who says that after flowing of the funds to the IIT-BHU the situation will be just same as with CWG. Recently, I visited IT after 12 years. The equipments that were newly purchased some 10-12 years back were still kept as if in museum!!!!!!!. Nobody cares after the procuremnts. Keys of important softwares are missing. Some equipments were not functioning because important parts of the eqipment were not bought, God knows why?????????????Students were dumb. They did not have any interest in there depts. and the academics. Their academic and rsearch aptitudes were altogether missing. Simply full of criticism and irrelevant prejudices. Oh God! what a terrific and unbelievable situation. Is the BHU administration again responsible for the non-use of equipment!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where is the lacuna?????? It is quite obvious.

Secondly, how can the new faculty come? Most of the Depts already appear to be overstaffed, I mean teachers as well as down the line staff.

Thirdly, Even if scope is created for new faculty, who will join????? Good and bright brains hardly go for teaching and that is why all the IITs and IT and other Engg. Instt are not able to deliver to the needs of the nation.

Finally I fully support the view of IITs status being already diluted. IISc never compromised on its numbers. It is still one. Similarly TIFR and so will be for BHU, which will always be one. i consider it to be very opportunistic stance of the IT to beg for the IIT tag.

The Instt. admin. should first try to develop a sense of self pride and core committment.Depts. in the BHU ( anumber of them in sci., humanities & law) should be seen as examples within the same BHU, same admin and same infrastructural set-up???????????? Blaming is fault but hiding self weakness under a garb is a sin and crime!!!!!!!!!!

Ah! May the wisdom prevail.

October 24, 2010 5:13 AM
 IT to IIT said:

On Anonymous' posting on 22nd
It seems that Anonymous is confused. He is not clear what he want to say.
Few points are objectionable.
1. Research and teaching are matching with funds but not the administration and management which is controlled from central office of BHU.
2.Everybody does not become senior faculty in a day, and please compare the papers published by younger faculty members in comparison to senior faculty members. I mean to say you can not compare the faculty members of two generation. faculty moulds themselves in a way as demanded by administration. In earliear days classroom teaching was important but now research is also equally important.
3. Probably the class room teaching in IT is also far better than other faculties and thats why Prof Punjab Singh(Ex V.C.) has to take rounds in those faculties but not in IT. To add to this many of the classes have been found not engaged.

Please support the mission IIT, It will be good for this region as well as for BHU.

October 26, 2010 3:47 AM
 Anonymous said:

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Rahul-for-full-autonomy-to-IITs/697431/

"Rahul expressed his views at a recent meeting of the Parliamentary Standing Committee on HRD, of which he is a member. According to sources, Rahul’s brief but forceful intervention in the October 1 meeting, that took up the Institutes of Technology (Amendment) Bill 2010, underlined his conviction that higher education, especially relating to technology, is in dire need of reform The committee, headed by senior Congress leader and MP Oscar Fernandes, will finalise its report by the month end."

October 31, 2010 9:05 AM
 Anonymous said:

Any updates on conversion?
Long time we heard any new updates.

November 7, 2010 5:02 AM
 Shailendra Gupta said:

Well not related to ITBHU to IIT Conversion but something we should know about.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/On-Rahul-cue--Sibal-talks-student-polls-with-V-Cs/705844

Shailendra Gupta
Trical, 05

November 8, 2010 8:53 AM
 Anonymous said:

Any updates reg IT BHU conversion into IIT is available or not.
Anonymous said:
http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Rahul-for-full-autonomy-to-IITs/697431
What is about the above matter that had to be submitted by end of Oct-10.

November 8, 2010 7:23 PM
 chandan said:

@Anonymous- It is obvious untill standing committee report is out ,amendment bill cant be processed further.I think we will have to wait for next ession of parliament.

November 9, 2010 9:58 AM
 Anonymous said:

it has not listed even in the jobs to be taken by parliament in this session .. standing comm of HRD is known for sitting on the bills for years .. so you mean to say that we need to wait for years!!!! ..

November 9, 2010 6:34 PM
 Gyani said:

I think a delegation from our insti should meet Rahul Gandhi and should request him for early passing of the bill. Only he can do something.

November 9, 2010 8:51 PM
 Anonymous said:

Definitely we should not snooze right now bcos we are in race and target is very close . I would like to request graduates of IT BHU to do incredible thing as early as possible in this regard.
Thanks n regards to all.

November 10, 2010 7:26 PM
 Anonymous said:

Do keep a small bit of patience any such movement can be harmful at this stage. Over-anxiety at this moment may mess-up the entire situation.

November 11, 2010 6:49 PM
 Anonymous said:

There is no harm to meet Rahul Gandhi as well as HRD minister. Kapil sibal already loaded with other ministery and reshuffling in portfolio is also possible very soon.

November 18, 2010 2:15 AM
 Gyani said:

I am game for meeting with Rahul Gandhi if others are interested too.

November 18, 2010 10:26 PM
 vinod gupta said:

I am also for the meet with Rahul gandhi and Kapil sibal.Conversion should take place soon.Otherwise we may have to wait for years.

November 22, 2010 6:08 AM
 Anonymous said:

Any update reg conversion.

November 25, 2010 4:10 AM
 Animesh Pathak CSE03 said:

Thanks for the link Anon at 5:42. We will keep a keen eye on the proceedings.

November 25, 2010 5:53 AM
 madhur said:

see page 8.. it seems standing committee has submitted the report..

November 26, 2010 4:05 AM
 Anonymous said:

we do not want to be IITs any more. Even Rahul Gandhi had very cleraly mentioned that IITs did something in the past but now they are just surviving on their past glory!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now they are trying to buy our istitute. Please look from this angle also. We have our distinct identity that remains unblemished over the years.Thank God!!!!!!! Why need we subordinate our prestige to IITs?????????????????????

November 27, 2010 9:03 PM
 Anonymous said:

we do not want to be IITs any more. Even Rahul Gandhi had very cleraly mentioned that IITs did something in the past but now they are just surviving on their past glory!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now they are trying to buy our istitute. Please look from this angle also. We have our distinct identity that remains unblemished over the years.Thank God!!!!!!! Why need we subordinate our prestige to IITs?????????????????????

November 27, 2010 9:04 PM
 anonymus said:

Its not about being an IIT,its about being the part of the family.....
The students in IT BHU gave the same JEE,but still they are the sufferers.They are not given there rights.They are no innvited to inter IIT meets,they do notget the respect they deserve.Other IIT treat it Step brotherly,no IIT participate in their festivals,the quality of facilities they are getting is pathetic lower enen then NITs.
Its tghe students who are suffering and still we say we don't want IIT tag.IT does not made students,its the students out there who came through JEE made IT or more specifically IT - "BHU".

November 28, 2010 3:46 AM
 anonymus said:

Its not about being an IIT,its about being the part of the family.....
The students in IT BHU gave the same JEE,but still they are the sufferers.They are not given there rights.They are no innvited to inter IIT meets,they do notget the respect they deserve.Other IIT treat it Step brotherly,no IIT participate in their festivals,the quality of facilities they are getting is pathetic lower enen then NITs.
Its tghe students who are suffering and still we say we don't want IIT tag.IT does not made students,its the students out there who came through JEE made IT or more specifically IT - "BHU".

November 28, 2010 3:48 AM
 Anonymous said:

Is there any point in debating whether IT BHU should be converted to IIT or not .. I think, it has been proved thousand times that our best interest lies in getting the IIT tag as soon as possible ..We should not digress from it at this point of time when we are so close to our dream ...

November 28, 2010 4:12 PM
 Anonymous said:

step brotherly treatment will continue even after conversion. that is sure because it will never be understood as creation but a conversion.Alas! we feel proud and as if honored.

November 29, 2010 7:46 AM
 raj said:

hey,,iit tag matters a lot!!
The question is not about the detoriating conditions of iit, but it is about upgrading it bhu to iit bhu, it is a fact that, whatever be the infrastructure and placement of any college, iits are always superior to it,,, name matters a lot... Be practical.....
U can compare the reputation of itbhu with other iits...
May be some iits are behind us in placements etc.. But an iit is a iit... They r highly prestigious...
Don't make any mistake at this moment by saying that we don't want iit status... We all do want it....
Think carefully and then say anything....

November 29, 2010 9:48 PM
 Anonymous said:

The report looks positive with respect to the conversion process. Can someone else also comment on it? does the report also talk about final verdict?

November 30, 2010 5:28 AM
 Shailendra Gupta said:

Things related to us in this report -


*************

The Committee observes that earlier the seven IITs at Delhi, Kanpur, Kharagpur,
Roorkee, Bombay, Madras and Guwahati were covering the entire country. Now with eight
more IITs at various places, distribution of States and Union territories would be more
balanced. While making a comparative analysis of the existing zones and reconstituted zones,
the Committee finds that with the exception of IIT, Guwahati, number of States/UTs falling
under the jurisdiction of other existing IITs has been reduced.
The Committee would,
however, like to point out that while IIT, Roorkee (earlier University of Roorkee) which was
earlier having Himachal Pradesh, Haryana and Uttaranchal states has been assigned now
Haryana and Uttarakhand, there is no mention of any zone with respect to IIT (Banaras
Hindu University) Varansi. Reasons for this exception are not known to the Committee. The
Committee would like to point out that the immediate impact of this omission would be that
the Board of Governors of IIT (Banaras Hindu University) Varanasi would not be having a
State nominee. Secondly, the proposed amendments in section 6 relating to ‘Powers’ of
Institute’ whereunder every IIT is envisaged to support and collaborate with technical
institutions located in the zone and advise the State Government/UT in its zone in the matter
of technical education would not be applicable on IIT (Banaras Hindu University) Varansi.
The Committee, accordingly, recommends that corrective steps in this direction need to be
taken by bringing in required modification in the proposed amendments.


*********************************


The Committee is of the view that composition of the Board of Governors should be
uniform for all the IITs.
The Committee, however, observes that with the proposed
amendments the Board of Governors of IT(BHU) will be having, besides the Chairman and
Vice-Chairman, nine members, with Vice-Chairman and two persons to be nominated by the
Executive Council of BHU from amongst its members. Secondly, applicability of any zone in
respect of IT(BHU) being not clear, there will be no nomination from any State. In contrast,
all the other IITs will be having besides a Chairman, seven members and State nominees,
slightly varying in accordance with the zone assigned to them. The Committee is of the view
that compostion of the Board of Governors IT(BHU) vis-à-vis other IITs needs to be reviewed.
If the post of Vice-Chairman holds good for IT(BHU) it should prove viable for other IITs
also. Secondly, linkage with BHU can be easily maintained by having one member to be
nominated by the Executive Council of BHU.

Shailendra Gupta
Trical, 05

November 30, 2010 7:50 AM
 Vijay said:

It seems that there are mainly two issues related to conversion of our institute one is related with defining Zones and another is related with Board of Governors. Let us hope that MHRD will fixup these two issues quickly.

November 30, 2010 9:03 AM
 Anand Prakash said:

The second issue unfortunately if amended according to Standing Committee's suggestion will once again lead to a clash between IT-BHU and the BHU administration. They are planning to reduce the no. of people that are nominated from BHU's exec council into IIT BHU's board of governor's from 2 to 1.

Moreover they want uniformity in the administrative structure of all IITs, so the post of Vice Chairman is under question.

November 30, 2010 10:40 AM
 Anand Prakash said:

I wonder why the standing committee was not informed that the decision to include vice-chairman+two others nominated by BHU exec council was taken after a number of discussions and debates between IT-BHU, BHU, MHRD and IIT council. After all the negotiations, this was the agreement deemed suitable to all the parties involved. By recommending a change, the standing committee is bound to start the debate once again and it seems unlikely that the BHU administration would agree to these new proposed changes.

Since this act has to be passed quickly as the students of the new IITs would be recieving their degrees in 2012, there is a chance that the conversion of IT BHU may be dropped from objectives of the current bill if a new agreement between BHU administration and MHRD is not reached quickly. And I guess, we all agree that it is a now or never situation as if the conversion is removed from the present bill then there are slim chances of the conversion taking place ever.

Anyways lets hope for the best. Hopefully, the bill will be passed in the current session only i.e by december 13 and the fresh batch of next year will enter IIT(BHU), Varanasi.

November 30, 2010 10:57 AM
 Anonymous said:

This sounds like another stalemate. We need to give due pressure on the BHU VC to agree to the MHRD proposal even if it meant reducing their stance.

Like Anand noted this is a "now or never situation as if the conversion is removed from the present bill then there are slim chances of the conversion taking place ever".

It needs to be handled seriously.

Let us put all our muscle behind this.

November 30, 2010 12:25 PM
 Anonymous said:

Is it necessary to implement all the recommendations of the standing committee or some can be dropped?? :)

November 30, 2010 8:52 PM
 Anonymous said:

no its not .. some can be droped ..

November 30, 2010 9:58 PM
 Anonymous said:

We have become over-sensitive. These are all parts of Government procedures. The things are running positively and we ought to look at the things from a positive view point. Remember we will be IIT shortly.

November 30, 2010 10:55 PM
 Shailendra Gupta said:

Guys dont panic, Everything is positive so far.

Shailendra Gupta
Trical,05

November 30, 2010 11:31 PM
 Anand Prakash said:

We are not panicking. But we can't help being sensitive to issues related to our college. If we don't express our views on the events occurring in the conversion process, then this forum would be of no use. I just wrote my opinion on what I read in the report.

December 1, 2010 12:29 AM
 Anonymous said:

Anand, I admire your concern and there is nothing wrong in sharing your concerns. But then, this forum also gives you a sound piece of advice to address to your concerns at this critical time. Believe me, IIT-BHU is on the cards.

December 1, 2010 1:11 AM
 Vijay said:

one more concern which we are missing is Kakodkar committee report. As the standing committee has said that the this bill should incorporate the recommendation of Kakodkar committee. As this committee is yet to submit its report as is evident from this link

http://www.articlezones.com/society/education/kakodkar-panel-to-brainstorm-types-of-enhancing-iit-brand.html

Above link suggests that the committee is yet to submit its report, it may further delay the process and we may have to wait till budget session of the parliament.

December 1, 2010 1:34 AM
 Anand Prakash said:

@anonymous: Im sitting in room 131 of vishwakarma hostel right now because I believe you. :)

December 1, 2010 10:11 AM
 Devil's advocate said:

Only date available for any HRD bill in this session of parliament is 8th of december as per schedule http://164.100.47.132/provisionalcalender/15/provisional%20calender.pdf

so if the bill does'nt get tabled on this date, we have to wait for budget session.

December 1, 2010 10:27 PM
 akshat gupta said:

now it will be really painful to wait for another session for rajya sabha.As for now we have got 2 steps left.so in next session we will only get approval from rajya sabha then we will have to wait for another session for president's sign to that bill to make it an act.i am really getting impatient now.it's 'now or never'situation for us.let's keep our fingers crossed for 8th of dec.

December 2, 2010 9:33 AM
 Anonymous said:

Donot be hopeless. If HRD ministry work is allotted on 8th so this matter should consider and table. Keep hope.

December 2, 2010 7:50 PM
 Anonymous said:

Why not you understand we are in race of IIT not now as IIT.

December 6, 2010 3:43 AM
 devil's advocate said:

Tomorrow is 8th and since we slept and no one bothered to do some extra step like meeting Rahul Gandhi or so, it is least possible to be tabled and get passed in this session. God help our ITBHU.

December 6, 2010 8:16 PM
 Shailendra Gupta said:

Dude shut up!!

We have already met Mr. Rahul Gandhi !! Learn to appreciate hard work done by us.


Shailendra Gupta
Trical, 05

December 6, 2010 10:36 PM
 AK said:

I believe Shailendra Gupta should mind his language. whatever is the case abusive language should not be used in Pubic forums.

NS Civ '03

December 7, 2010 8:25 AM
 Anand Prakash said:

http://164.100.24.207/lob/15/VI/RLOB8.12.2010.pdf

its not mentioned in the list of businesses for tomorrow :(

December 7, 2010 11:35 AM
 Anonymous said:

I don't back using abusive language- "shut up", however, I truly can understand what Shailendra felt. There is a limit to which a person, who has worked so hard, can tolerate criticism. Compare what "Mr. Advocate" has done and what Shailendra has done for the Institute. It's quite easy to write criticizing comments on the forum, but that is far less productive than reaching out people for a cause. By the way, may be Mr. Advocate has not used any words that we consider abusive, his language is enough to hurt a person who has worked hard for the conversion process. Thus, in general, I feel people should be respectful who are trying for the conversion, even while criticizing them. I am with Shailendra .

December 7, 2010 12:43 PM
 Abhijeet said:

The above comment was from me.

Abhijeet
Mech, 2002

December 7, 2010 12:44 PM
 Anonymous said:

common ....IITians are going for semester exchange in France, having jobs in Airbus, having a highest package of 1.3 crores on day 1(IIT Kgp, while half of ITBHU is waiting for Wipro, TCS or cognizant technologies(while a quarter is placed in PSUs),while we fight whether our college will or will not bw an IIT. I think we should we should improve our college rather than wait for government to allow a JPC in 2G spectrum case when our bill MIGHT me put up(as in past 30 years)

December 7, 2010 1:19 PM
 Abhijeet said:

@Anonymous,
Excellent point raised. I hope everyone in ITBHU raise their expectations and aim high. Infosys, Wipro, TCS are Junta companies now a days. Please try calling better companies on campus. Try 10, may be 1 will come, and that's what we want. You need a critical mass (few good companies). Then the chain reaction will start. Utilize network effect.
Write GRE, GMAT, CAT. You can also become as successful as IIT students. First, start thinking like that. You are what you want to be.

December 7, 2010 1:47 PM
 Anonymous said:

Calling better companies! This requires effort on the part of alumni - silent canvassing amongst best companies. Form a core group. Reach out to people in influential position to gently and effectively convey the message to such companies. There are numerous alumni in government and private sector who have got the capacity to change the wind in our favour. Work on that.

December 7, 2010 8:31 PM
 Anonymous said:

We have a strange habit of comparing ourselves with the best of the IITs. Just look at the common masses from IIT they are none better. Further, we overlook and ignore our best. We have several achievements and also will have many of them but then a prejudiced eye can never see them all. IITs do not stand anywhere among the premiere world ranking institutions.

Of-course we should always have a high expectations. But we should not let the feeling of inferiority prevail in us. Let us agree that we the students have really become highly ambitious and at the same time highly complacent. We fail to undertake self-improvement process, while in the institute. Over last 4-years of the study programme we have lost initiatives and are simply losing our creative energies by only struggling to be another IIT. We also are slightly confused and distracted. Once, we overcome this, the institution does'nt matter. How about those IAS & MBAs who come from variety of disciplines other than engg. They are from simple universities and colleges, many a times. just ponder over all these and never forget to blame ourselves, although it is much easier to blame others and the systems.

December 7, 2010 8:40 PM
 Anonymous said:

Whats wrong if some time is spent in getting the brand name IIT to our institution.We will have enough time to catch up the lag in self improvement later and at a much faster pace i guess.

December 7, 2010 11:09 PM
 Abhijeet said:

@Anonymous
Your point well taken. However, I still believe that IITs do receive many good companies which ITBHU doesn't. How many students go to Infosys, Wipro in IITs. Not even 50. And how many in ITBHU?
Compare the number of GRE candidates in IITs and ITBHU. I am sure numbers will be way off.
However, if the scenario has changed now, means in last one or two years, then may be I need to be updated.

December 8, 2010 5:31 AM
 Anand Prakash said:

We are hoping that situation reg MNCs not coming to campus for placements will change once we're converted to IIT. Some companies have the policy of going to IITs only for recruitment and it may be possible that at this point of time they do not recognize us at IIT. Still even after IIT conversion, it will be the duty of the new administration as well as the students to properly market ourselves and make the MNCs aware of the IIT conversion.

The situation here at campus is changing (though its a slow change) and we, the students are aware of career options like GRE, GMAT, CAT etc. Career options are one of the most hotly discussed topics in the hostel room. We are constantly looking to get involved in internships and projects during our vacations to enhance our CVs.

However IIT tag matters a lot esp in building our CV during these four years. It is tough getting internships in top foreign universities without the IIT tag.IIT brand sells a lot in such situations and profs abroad think that it'll enhance their CVs too if they work with IIT students. BHU as a university is not listed in the top 200 universities of the world and hence it is tough for us to compete with the IIT students even though we might have more knowledge than them. Even in applying to top ranked foreign universities for MS or some other post grad. it helps a lot if have the word IIT written in your resume. The brand IIT represents 50 years of excellence and is synonymous to quality Indian technical education abroad. So I think it is fair for us to be relying on IIT conversion to change these established notions. We agree that we should not be totally dependent on the conversion or the name of the institute but you can't deny that the name of the institute does not matter. If it was so then nobody would work hard to clear JEE and get into India's top engineering colleges.

One area where I believe we have failed in the past decade has been in marketing our institute. The training and placement cell needs complete revamping. It'll take time to change a good college like (IT-BHU) into a great college like (IIT Bombay) but believe me the gradual change has already and IIT conversion will help a long way in achieving that change. We, the students of IT-BHU do not have an inferiority complex to our IIT Bombay counterparts, but we need the IIT tag to change the established notions that people have. That's why conversion is important as soon as possible. Because reaching the top is going to be a time taking process and we need to hit top gear now!

Anand Prakash
2nd Year
Electrical Engineering (B. Tech)
IT-BHU

December 8, 2010 6:52 AM
 akshat gupta said:

Well,today also the bill was not tabled in lok sabha.These government procedures are now taking soul out of me.I am more than frustated now.Just 1 more thing we can do is to sit silent and wait for another session.Guys,surely we will have to again sit for 'pen down' otherwise it will take years before we can properly call ourselves as IITIANS.

December 8, 2010 10:15 AM
 Anonymous said:

Take it easy. By feeling frustro. you are harming yourself doubly. Let us wait & see as that is what only is possible in our country.

December 8, 2010 5:34 PM
 PR said:

Dear All (including Anand 2nd trical),

I dont see any reason why you guys are getting impatient. If Malviya ji would had been impatient, probably none of us would have seen BHU. He struggled to get the funds for a decade, but did'nt give up the idea for setting BHU inclduing BENCO, MINMET and CoT.

few things i am seeing very positive are -
1. Standing committee report is very possitive in our favor, the only two issues they have raised are assigning an state / region to our Institute, which can be very well be eastern U.P. (which being 10 crore population, being populous than any other state of India).In that case IIT-Kanpur can be assigned western, central and south central parts of U.P. In-fact if you see the case of state of karnataka, half of it goes (southern part) with IIT-M and northern and coastal part goes with IIT-B. And none of these two IITs are in the state of karanataka. Hence, i feel that assigining the region is not an issue.
Secondly, the issue of Vice Chair for BoG going to BHU, here also standing committee has not objected that entirely, in-fact they have stresses the importance of IIT-V being connection with BHU, hence specifically mentioned one member from BHU on IIT-V BoG.
Thirdly,MHRD is a concerned minsitry for BHU, hence its MHRD who has to take the final decison on cosntituents of the BoG for IIT-V, not IT-BHU or BHU.

Fourthly, standing committee recommendations are guidance for MHRD, but again its MHRD who has a final call on the language of the bill.

Lastly but more importantly, brand or IIT tag is just to boost the self confidence and nothing else, if you have to be successful its you only who have to put the efforts.

Also, one more thing, campus placements are nothing more than a short stay inn, where you spend 2-3 years at max. Just dont go by that, salaries projected during palcements are all misleading. Bigger queston is why do we rush for high salaries, if we are so greedy, than why we havent done B.Com, than CFA and made entry into stock markets. Its upto to you to decide whether you want to sit in Infy, Wipro, TCS etc. those companies are just coming to us but not forcing you. But as many students of IT-BHU, who always wants to take the easiest path, we leave our hardcore engg companies (where life is pretty tough) and join the software companies. In-fact i feel that those hardcore engg companies are also not meant for us. Ideally placements should be banned at IT-BHU and all the students should opt for higher studies (in core branches).
The other trend, which comes to my mind is increasing affinity of engg grads to CAT/GMAT (though i have also made the same mistake and did MBA). It is another pain area, i personally feel that anyone can do management as it just requires strong logic and common sense, but very few can do a real R&D. Hence, i advise all my juniors colleagues to go for advance studies (PhD) in engg in top tech univs of the west, work in high end R&Ds of the west and than later in their life opt for MBA (if they do feel so than).

Bye

PR

December 8, 2010 9:54 PM
 Anonymous said:

Keep your fingers crossed on the next session of Parliament.

There are already news out there that the Opposition will not let any parliamentary sessions go through unless the JPC for 2G scam is installed.
The current government will not allow JPC.

This could be another roadblock.

Sounds like we can forget IT BHU to IIT conversion in 2011 as well.

That is just sad.

December 11, 2010 6:51 PM
 Anonymous said:

ye mousam bhi gaya ......

December 13, 2010 2:44 AM
 Anonymous said:

If we listen to news channels then, a mid-term election can't be ruled out.
I don't Why, but whenever IT-BHU, is at the verge of becoming IIT, Govt changes. My best wishes are with Govt. (till we succeed in our aim :))

December 13, 2010 11:56 AM
 Pandit said:

ITBHU ki kundali me Rahu ,ketu and shani baithe hain, koi shanti yagya vagairah karwao, lol.

December 13, 2010 11:29 PM
 Anonymous said:

Bahut badiya.

Next chronicle mein padna: "The process for converting our institute to IIT is progressing as planned"

December 15, 2010 11:03 PM
 Anonymous said:

aab parliament na chale to ismein chronicle wale kya kar sakte hain ... aur waise bhi real situation kuch hi logo to pata hain to har airu gairu nathu khairu ko.. comment dene se baaj aana chahiye ..

December 17, 2010 5:34 AM
 mishracera said:

i am wondering whether this can get converted till 2012(the whole new iit btech degree thing)

December 17, 2010 9:54 PM
 Anand Prakash said:

I guess the IT act amendment bill is certain to be passed before May 2012 because the new IITs(punjab, rajasthan etc) wouldn't be able to award IIT degrees if the act hasn't been ammended by then.

Assuming that the telecom scam issue is resolved by the time the budget session takes place in Feb/March and the parliament is able to resume business, it would be a reasonable bet to expect the bill to be passed during that session. By then MHRD would have had sufficient time to go through the recommendations of the standing committee and respond to them.

It is stupid to blame the ITBHU alumni association or chronicle publishers for this unexpected delay. Go blame the ex telecom minister A Raja for the scam and our power hungry politicians for not letting the parliament function.

December 18, 2010 12:05 AM
 mishracera said:

i agree the alumni association is doing a wonderful job of keeping up with the conversion process.
it is just a matter of time before our institute gets converted

December 21, 2010 5:14 AM
 Anonymous said:

Pass out of 2008, 2009 could have got IIT degree. Unfortunately, it could not happen. every body of us know the reasons.Satnding committee comments again made the situation complicated which we were thinking resolved. I fail to understand when States, which are having one member in the IIT governing council, welcoming opening of IIT in their States, why decision makers of BHU are not coming farward to resolve the issue. why they are not taking inclusion of one more 'I'as need for development of the institution as well as for the students.Let us pray for +ive results.

January 2, 2011 9:07 AM
 akshat gupta said:

Can anyone please tell if the matter of allotment of zone to IIT BHU is resolved or not?
Is the removal of IT BHU also a possibility from the bill if that 'ZONE' matter is not resolved?

January 3, 2011 1:14 PM
 Sanjay Malhotra said:

Guys, what's happening in BHU. Students must behave, Panga with Rahul Gandhi could prove costly. Whatever happened today with Rahul Gandhi on his visit to BHU, its shameful. Every news channel is playing this news & it is not going to help IT BHU to become IIT BHU. BHU premises must not be used for political purposes. We must apologize to Rahul Gandhi. over today's happenings.

January 10, 2011 9:48 AM
 Anonymous said:

Looks like Rahul Gandhi have no idea about the status on conversion process or may be conversation process may have been completely derailed.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/varanasi/Over-80-held-for-protesting-against-Rahuls-visit/articleshow/7255343.cms

January 10, 2011 10:32 AM
 Abhijeet said:

All these were done by the Goons in BHU, Akhil Bhartiya Vidyarthi Parishad. They have nothing to do with conversion. So I don't think it is going to hurt the conversion. Moreover, you and me cannot stop them. They are politically motivated selfish people. Let's hope this incident does not create any problem.

January 10, 2011 3:09 PM
 Anonymous said:

time to go to Delhi and meet Mr. Kapil Sibal. Nothing would happen if we sit idle waiting for miracles to happen.

January 11, 2011 6:06 AM
 Anonymous said:

No information from any corner. No doubt, Animesh Sir and team has done a good job but it is the time to pursue the case. atleast get the correct information what is happening in our case.next session will be in feb/march, not very far.we request the leaders of this project to guide us, what should be done.we expect some information from them.

January 11, 2011 8:10 AM
 Anonymous said:

Would request moderators to provide latest information on the on-going conversion process. Hope that things are optimistic and are on track.

January 27, 2011 6:59 AM
 Anand Prakash said:

http://164.100.47.132/provisionalcalender/15/calendar%20and%20chart%207%20session%2015%20LS.pdf

Well, this is the schedule for the upcoming budget session of the parliament. MHRD has been allotted the following dates: 23 feb,9 march,16 march,6 april,13 april,20 april.

If the government and the opposition can come to an understanding on the investigation of 2G scam and the parliament is able to function then we should expect the IT act amendment bill to be passed on any of the above mentioned dates.

I guess the alumni are taking care to see that all pending issues are resolved before the parliament session commences. Hopefully the conversion will be complete before the new batch enters in May and the opening rank will be better than AIR 1000. Lets keep our fingers crossed though!

February 1, 2011 5:32 PM
 Anonymous said:

Thank you sir.

February 3, 2011 2:11 AM
 two cents said:

I think the findings of the HRD Committee will preclude the tabling of the Bill.

February 3, 2011 11:51 PM
 Anonymous said:

Any update pls.

February 18, 2011 1:42 AM
 Anonymous said:

http://prsindia.org/index.php?name=Sections&action=bill_details&id=5&bill_id=1507&category=1&parent_category=0

The IT act amendment bill is listed for consideration and passing during this ongoing session of the parliament. Lets hope it gets passed in both the houses. The next day allotted to MHRD is 9th March.

something i read in the bill:
until the first Statutes and the Ordinances in relation to the Indian
Institute of Technology (Banaras Hindu University), Varanasi are made under
this Act, the Statutes and Ordinances as are applicable to the Indian Institute
of Technology, Kanpur immediately before the commencement of the Institutes
of Technology (Amendment) Act, 2010, shall apply to the Indian Institute of
Technology (Banaras Hindu University), Varanasi with the necessary
modifications and adaptations in so far as they are not inconsistent with the
provisions of this Act;

what exactly does it mean? does it mean we would have IIT kanpur rules? :p

February 23, 2011 10:26 AM
 Anonymous said:

I read this in the bill and found it interesting:

until the first Statutes and the Ordinances in relation to the Indian
Institute of Technology (Banaras Hindu University), Varanasi are made under
this Act, the Statutes and Ordinances as are applicable to the Indian Institute
of Technology, Kanpur immediately before the commencement of the Institutes
of Technology (Amendment) Act, 2010, shall apply to the Indian Institute of
Technology (Banaras Hindu University), Varanasi with the necessary
modifications and adaptations in so far as they are not inconsistent with the
provisions of this Act;

Does it mean we would follow IIT kanpur rules till our college gets new set of rules? :p girls allowed in boys hostel?

February 23, 2011 10:39 AM
 Anonymous said:

Does that mean, we will become IIT as soon as the bill is passed in Parliament?

February 23, 2011 11:15 AM
 Anand Prakash said:

http://164.100.24.207/bull2/2011/23.2.2011.pdf

Positive signs :) Pray to god that all goes according to plan this time.

February 23, 2011 2:40 PM
 Shailendra Gupta said:

Guys IT-BHU is in. Lets wait and watch.

Shailendra Gupta
Trical,05

February 24, 2011 11:15 PM
 Anonymous said:

Any more news?

March 3, 2011 5:36 AM
 raj kamal said:

sir,
whats about today news of parliament

March 9, 2011 3:26 AM
 Laxman said:

The Lok Sabha has passed the Institute of Technology(Amendment) bill-2010 and IT-BHU will become IIT(BHU) once it is passed by Rajya Sabha. Kudos to those behind the effort. We should not be complacent & sit idle waiting for RS to pass it, as BSP & SP members had talked against the conversion. Sincere efforts should now be made to convince & remove the misconception for supporting the bill in RS.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/careers/education/LS-passes-bill-to-provide-IIT-status-to-8-institutes-BHU/articleshow/7781527.cms

March 25, 2011 6:39 AM

Leave a comment

(if you having troubles, try posting your comment on this page or send an email to chronicle @ itbhuglobal.org)






MEMBER LOGIN

User Id:(ram.singh@civ90)

Password:


FAQ
Register FAQ
Forgot Password?
 
Copyright © 2008 - 2013 by ITBHU Global Alumni Association, Institute of Technology, Banaras Hindu University, Varanasi 221005 INDIA